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Poll Question: Our two main flautists/singers; which is your fave?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2007 at 12:24
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

On the other hand, Gabriel's talents as a vocallist are rather underrated.  Listen closely to some of the things he's done and you'll appreciate how versatile he is, or listen to his first solo album, where he stretches himself to a considerable extent.




Agreed. Another example of his powerful voice is "Blood of Eden" off of Gabe's album "Us".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2007 at 18:58
Originally posted by Yorkie X Yorkie X wrote:

As far as his costumes go I see this as a reflection of his bi polar personalty more so than an artistic expression.  I believe those costume changes were not necessary and probably got in the way for the rest of the band.     Wink
 
The costumes started because Genesis was a band with very limited resources, while Howe had 3 or 4 guitars and Wakeman has a 360° degrees keyboard and Emerson came into the show in flying pianos,  all Genesis members had only one set of instruments, as a fact their concerts in England didn't gave them enough money to get at least a second set of instruments, so they had to tune them between songs, this took several minutes and was boring (this was said by Anthony Phillips, because he used to tell the stories before Peter and got a terrible stage phobia). I believe Mike Rutherford also said it in Genesis a History
 
All the bands had a show but Genesis couldn't afford it and teir act was really boring, lets see:
  1. Gabriel before the costumes used to sing with his arms crossed in a square meter without any movement.
  2. Mike Rutherford was hidding behind the speakers in the left side of the stage (from audience perspective).
  3. Steve Hackett sat in a chair and never rised his head.
  4. Tony was buried in his keyboards and never was part of the show unlike Wakeman with his capes or Emerson rubbing ribbons in his arse.
  5. Phil was the only one capable of helping Pete but he was in his drum kit.

Look at the photto in my signature, that was tyhe exact position they weere almost always

So only the people who really loved their music, went to see them, while Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP. Jethro Tull, etc were doing amazing shows that captured the audience...Lets face it, they were kids in a men business, they were the younger of the pioneers and nobody knew them, so nobody took them seriously.

In one of that shows in an  empty Box arena of Dublin on Sept 28, 1972. if I'm not wrong, Peter used the famous red dress and the Fox head, the next day they were front page in all the papers and the next concerts gathered crowds to see what Peter was going to do.
 
So if the costumes bothered the rest of the band, they were very cheap, being that those costumes placed food on their tables when nobody wanted them, except in Italy.
 
Now, another problem was the lyrics, you can listen The Musical Box for centuries and if you don't read the little story in the cover, you won't understand what the f*ck they are talking about, the costumes and the stories helped people understand the very complex lyrics, Peter's body language when asking to touch Cinthya's hair and skin speak more than a million words.
 
This was Genesis before the costumes:
 
 
This was Genesis after the costumes:
 
 
So the costumes were a need for Genesis, without them, they would had vanished as many great bands and very few would remember the wonderful music they made.
 
Some  Genesis members  (two to be precise)  were jealous because people went to the concerts more interested in Gabriel than in the rest of the band.
 
He was able to create a very good show with very little money and that's a merit, so don't blame his disorder, praise his creativity.
 
It's easy to talk, when you don't know the history of why things happened.
 
Iván
 
 
 
 


Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 25 2007 at 19:14
            
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2007 at 06:55
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Some  Genesis members  (two to be precise)  were jealous because people went to the concerts more interested in Gabriel than in the rest of the band.
 
I wonder who.......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2007 at 12:42
Ian Anderson,Ian Anderson,Ian Anderson,Ian Anderson,Ian Anderson
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2007 at 23:52
I like both singers quite a bit but I tried this test - what if the bands had swapped singers?  I'd say that Gabriel would have made Tull quite a bit more interesting while Anderson would have cost Genesis a lot of its quirky charm.  So Gabriel it is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2007 at 00:01
^ but that's not really a good example because Tull is, for the most part, Ian Anderson... you can't swap for Anderson, he'd turn you into Jethro Tull


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2007 at 00:51
You're right but I was hypothesizing Gabriel doing Tull's music with the Tull band versus Anderson doing Genesis music with the rest of Genesis.  Anyway, I'm sticking with Gabriel.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2007 at 13:38
The costumes were just a great way to up the attitude of the concert,. Though almost distracting from the music, the crazy antics of Peter Gabriel were know WAY outside the prog community.
 
So both Yorkie and Ivan are right.
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