Dimmu Borgir. Could be mistaken . . .

 . . . but Dimmu Borgir doesn't pop up when I search them on here, so . . . what the hell is that about? You mean to say they aren't listed here at a//?

Okay, I did a search, and apparently someone had suggested them way back in '05, so I suppose if they weren't accepted then, they won't be reconsidered now, but this is the simply truth:

Avantgardehead wrote: p0mt3 wrote:   Their latest record is a concept album. The orchestra inclusion isn't merely once in awhile, it's all the time, meaning these guys have decided to do something fairly radical in their genre. The concepts and song structure behind their music is much much more than mere black metal Cradle of Filth did this in 2003 and they're sure as hell not getting in...

*bump*

At least an admin come on here and tell me exactly why they wren't accepted, because the search function isn't very good, and I have yet to find the actual reason why they were not asdmitted on this site.

Demon Burger?  I dont know, man....

heyitsthatguy wrote: Dimmu Burger on Dethklok that made me lol

Let's expedite the addition of Impaled Northern Moonforest too. ;P

 I might be biased, but I've listened to a lot of black metal in the past and as a rule, anything that can be termed "frostbitten" or "kvlt" should be excluded from also being referred to as prog. Epic, hypnotic, long-winded and introspective - none are synonyms for progressive, hopefully.

Regardless of prog or not and also contrary to many people I know who dislike or hate them (whether for their silly pose, cheesy use of orchestral instruments etc), I like them quite a bit. Perhaps not original or groundbreaking (and yes at times cheesy or silly) but it makes for a good and entertaining listen for me.

I have listened to a lot of dimmu borgir and black metal in general and while i can sympathize with your position, i stand on the side of the admins in saying that they are clearly non prog. you could say they are about as progressive as MUSE or other bands in prog related, maybe even a little less so. Doesnt mean you cant like them, progressiveness is certainly not a requirement for good music, but they shouldnt be listed on this site. They do break the mold a little bit but in reference to the definition of tech/extreme that you pulled from the site, they arn't very technical as far as black metal-prog goes, they dont use any avant garde or experimental song writing techniques, though there is a certain epic feel to their music (see dragon force reference)
And in reference to the "fake" orchestra, Demon Burger used a real orchestra, a 15 piece one on Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia and a 48 piece orchestra on Death Cult Armageddon so its not fake - you can definitely tell the difference between keyboard produced and the real thing... just look at Beyond Twilight's "For the Love of Art and the Making" , very fake sounding.  

Edited by keiser willhelm - February 15 2008 at 12:12

p0mt3 wrote: Taken from the Tech/Extreme Prog Metal definition found here on the site:   Progressive Black Metal Black Metal is not a very technical genre – at least the original, “old-school” Black Metal is inherently non-technical and lo-fi. Typically the bands listed here are much more technical than the usual Black Metal outfit and/or add avant-garde elements to the music, or a more epic approach to songwriting.     But no, we can't include Dimmu Borgir because . . . oh wait, there is no reason not to include them according to this definition, is there?