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    Posted: July 26 2005 at 07:49

It's a damn good thing that it includes one of the best keyboard solos around, 'cause on the Seconds Out version the guys really screw up the 12-string guitar passage just as the last section of vocals comes in (about 4:15 in).

/pedantic

/Still probably my favourite album ever

 


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Originally posted by Starette Starette wrote:

But when he changed back he became the blind seer. Think Oedipus Rex- if you know the story.

 

Never saw any link from Tiresias to Oedipus, but I do not know the full stories. Oedipus was wriiten by Sophocles as a trilogy including Antigone (his niece) and Creon (his uncle that took over Thebes - Greek city not the Eguptian - after the death of Oedipus's father)  and Chimena, his other niece. I think Tiresias was from Athens.

except maybe in Cinema show
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
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But when he changed back he became the blind seer. Think Oedipus Rex- if you know the story.

 
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Points: 19630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2005 at 06:01
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

The lyrics weren't by Gabriel, they were a more or less direct quotation from T.S. Eliot courtesy of Rutherford and Banks, and yes of course the lyrics are about nudey prod games. Tiresias was a figure in Roman (or possibly Greek) mythology, who lived for 7 years as a man and 7 years as a woman (forget why, but it was probably some god's idea of a joke). That was how he 'crossed between the poles' and gained such a great insight into the human condition - 'for me there's no mystery'.

That's the kind of song you get when a bunch of classically educated public schoolboys form a rock band.

Tiresias was a greek figure. Athena got sick and tired of him being a male chauvinist pig and being insensible to women (outside of f**king them that is) and changed him out as a her to serve him a lesson.

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Most of the times long solos are boring, are used for filling an album and sound like a jam you hear at a jamsession. The second part of the cinema show is one of those examples of how to make a long solo interesting from the beginning 'till the end. This is definitely not a filler. There is enough dynamics and variation in it, not only the keyboard player but also the rest of the band should be complemented in this one. There is no "ego stealing the show alone", it is really a band playing together.
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Today I read an article in the "Neue Zürcher Zeitung" about Edward Heath, the former prime minister of England. He tried to sell big companies that didn't make enough profit. But Heath failed with his efforts. This happened 1973. Perhaps Gabriel, who always had a social character, was influenced by this political event "Selling Enland by the pound".
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Originally posted by Baazetu Baazetu wrote:

...and now the movie starts, here comes the BEST KEYBOARD SOLO ON THE ROCK HISTORY (my opinion) it seems to be a sci-fi movie. Romeo and Juliet maybe now deeply in their erotic desires of the night...




Only your opinion? I think it's time for Kofi Annan to make an UN resolution, stating that it is in fact the best keyboard solo in the universe!

I have always thought about Romeo dating Juliet and then the erotic act begins at the same time as the instrumental second part of the song.
It's good to learn about father Tiresias and reading that poem. I mean, this is what I call lyrics, put in some obscure literal references and make a poem of your own, with some kind of deeper meaning that you have to htink of to understand, not some sh*tty Britney Spears "I was born to make you happy" lyrics.
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 i think you should tell Ivan_2068 this
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  I had a friend who thought Father Tiersias was one of those priests...  
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I always thought the song was about a horny young guy who takes a girl out to the movies and buys her presents, only to get blown off in the end, so he ends up talking to some old homeless drag queen while drowning his sorrows in a beer.
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On the lyrics, Romeo has a date with Juliet to the movies, they are just two contemporanean teenager lovers.

Romeo tries to conquer Juliet 's love with gifts like chocolate surprises while Juliet "dabs her skin with pretty smells" just to attract Romeo's attention. The line "I will make my bed with her tonight" means just the natural sex hunger of all of the normal teenagers. (And some of the adults too.)

So, they go to the cinema and here is where Peter speaks about an ancient mythological character, Tyresias; who was man and then a woman, so he could experiment the both sides of sexual act (remember this is a theory) "a man like the sea I raged"... "a woman like the earth I gave, but there is in fact more earth than sea" which obviously means that in the sexual act, women enjoy more than men.

Ok, Romeo and Juliet are now in the theater ready to fulfill their desires, (I don't think about a rape, but in a romantic night).

The lights went down........ people keeps silence.......

...and now the movie starts, here comes the BEST KEYBOARD SOLO ON THE ROCK HISTORY (my opinion) it seems to be a sci-fi movie. Romeo and Juliet may be now deeply in their erotic desires of the night...

After that, we see Old Tessa in the aisles of a supermarket where England is being sold by the pound, this is the aftermath of the album; the Aisle Of Plenty... but that's another story.

By the way... I made a solo piano arrangement of this song, I love it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 17:58

No, it was more like

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Originally posted by FuzzyDude FuzzyDude wrote:

The song's about rape. I've seen it performed a few times. Peter Gabriel and later Phil Collins would explain it before they played the song. I loved it when people would come to hear Colins' solo pop love songs and instead get a date rape ballad.

 
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The song's about rape. I've seen it performed a few times. Peter Gabriel and later Phil Collins would explain it before they played the song. I loved it when people would come to hear Colins' solo pop love songs and instead get a date rape ballad.
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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

The lyrics weren't by Gabriel, they were a more or less direct quotation from T.S. Eliot courtesy of Rutherford and Banks, and yes of course the lyrics are about nudey prod games. Tiresias was a figure in Roman (or possibly Greek) mythology, who lived for 7 years as a man and 7 years as a woman (forget why, but it was probably some god's idea of a joke). That was how he 'crossed between the poles' and gained such a great insight into the human condition - 'for me there's no mystery'.

That's the kind of song you get when a bunch of classically educated public schoolboys form a rock band.

 

That's a great thing to know, where do you find stuff like this? I want to understand other prog sounds like that as well? Is there any source that explains things or is it your solid education?

Also, I had fun laughing at the last sentence.
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Originally posted by The-Bullet The-Bullet wrote:

David Palmer was a fan of Tiresias

Harsh...

....but absolutely, terribly funny!

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Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

That's the kind of song you get when a bunch of classically educated public schoolboys form a rock band.

That's prog!



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David Palmer was a fan of Tiresias

"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
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It's from this passage of "The Waste Land":

 

At the violet hour, when the eyes and back  215
Turn upward from the desk, when the human engine waits  
Like a taxi throbbing waiting,  
I Tiresias, though blind, throbbing between two lives,  
Old man with wrinkled female breasts, can see  
At the violet hour, the evening hour that strives  220
Homeward, and brings the sailor home from sea,  
The typist home at teatime, clears her breakfast, lights  
Her stove, and lays out food in tins.  
Out of the window perilously spread  
Her drying combinations touched by the sun's last rays,  225
On the divan are piled (at night her bed)  
Stockings, slippers, camisoles, and stays.  
I Tiresias, old man with wrinkled dugs  
Perceived the scene, and foretold the rest—  
I too awaited the expected guest.  230
He, the young man carbuncular, arrives,  
A small house agent's clerk, with one bold stare,  
One of the low on whom assurance sits  
As a silk hat on a Bradford millionaire.  
The time is now propitious, as he guesses,  235
The meal is ended, she is bored and tired,  
Endeavours to engage her in caresses  
Which still are unreproved, if undesired.  
Flushed and decided, he assaults at once;  
Exploring hands encounter no defence;  240
His vanity requires no response,  
And makes a welcome of indifference.  
(And I Tiresias have foresuffered all  
Enacted on this same divan or bed;  
I who have sat by Thebes below the wall  245
And walked among the lowest of the dead.)  
Bestows on final patronising kiss,  
And gropes his way, finding the stairs unlit...  
 
She turns and looks a moment in the glass,  
Hardly aware of her departed lover;  250
Her brain allows one half-formed thought to pass:  
'Well now that's done: and I'm glad it's over.'  
When lovely woman stoops to folly and  
Paces about her room again, alone,  
She smoothes her hair with automatic hand,  255
And puts a record on the gramophone.
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