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Pnoom! 
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 Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:17 |
 Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I really have to disagree with your last statement especially. I feel
that the crescendo in Amaranth The Peddler start "feathers..." is the
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Not the highest (that would be the first climax of Manifold), but certainly up there. The problem, IMO, is that the buildup to it (and builddown from it) both noodle far too much.
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structure of songs from the quiet intros to the heavy dissonance. |
Yeah, like Marathon, eh? 
I think the reason I tend to enjoy it so much is don't hear the
sections that so many people drag on. I very much like the minimalism
and noise sections.
Thanks for the in-depth response.
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I love minimalism as well, but there's a difference between minimalism that noodles and minimalism that doesn't, and, unfortunately, I feel that Dowsing has too much of the kind that does. Also, currently listening to: Blue Lambency Downward
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:17 |
Shakespeare wrote:
Pnoom! wrote:
-it doesn't feel like the cohesive whole that Choirs is. Sure, basically every track is amazing (the first three are pretty much perfect, On Limpid Form is amazing as well), but it doesn't feel like the single entity that is Choirs
-On Limpid Form. As amazing as it is, the grind that is the last 2/3 of the song just isn't as revelatory as you come to expect from the band that gives you Choirs of the Eye
-Amaranth the Peddler. Here's the real reason. This song is about eight minutes too long. In that middle section with the awesome melody, this song shows the potential to be a perfect, Pitcher of Summer-like track. But it honestly drags on.
-it never hits the highs of Choirs. Let's face it. As awesome as Dowsing gets at its best moments, it has nothing that rivals that first climax in The Manifold Curiosity, or the end of The Manifold Curiosity, or the deconstruction of Marathon, or the beauty of Wayfarer, or the crushing beauty of The Antique.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Dowsing, but Choirs is, on every level, the better CD IMO.
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The problem with all your arguments is that they're subjective, and I respectfully disagree with them all. 
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I know you're being snarky and all, but he asked a subjective question.
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:21 |
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Also, page 3.
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Dim
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:22 |
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Dowsing gets better with every listen, but Choirs, after a couple of months of lack of understanding just jumped out at me, and took me completely by suprise. Choirs is definately the superior album, you get the excellent blend of metal, jazz, and minimalism, where IMO Dowsing underdoes the metal, and overdoes the jazz (aura on an asylum wall), and the minimalism (amaranth). Either way, Dowsing may get a five star from me, maybe.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:24 |
Pnoom! wrote:
Shakespeare wrote:
Pnoom! wrote:
-it doesn't feel like the cohesive whole that Choirs is. Sure, basically every track is amazing (the first three are pretty much perfect, On Limpid Form is amazing as well), but it doesn't feel like the single entity that is Choirs
-On Limpid Form. As amazing as it is, the grind that is the last 2/3 of the song just isn't as revelatory as you come to expect from the band that gives you Choirs of the Eye
-Amaranth the Peddler. Here's the real reason. This song is about eight minutes too long. In that middle section with the awesome melody, this song shows the potential to be a perfect, Pitcher of Summer-like track. But it honestly drags on.
-it never hits the highs of Choirs. Let's face it. As awesome as Dowsing gets at its best moments, it has nothing that rivals that first climax in The Manifold Curiosity, or the end of The Manifold Curiosity, or the deconstruction of Marathon, or the beauty of Wayfarer, or the crushing beauty of The Antique.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Dowsing, but Choirs is, on every level, the better CD IMO.
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The problem with all your arguments is that they're subjective, and I respectfully disagree with them all.
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I know you're being snarky and all, but he asked a subjective question.
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Then stop saying "Let's face it" you make it seem like you're being objective. 
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Shakespeare
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:27 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I think the reason I tend to enjoy it so much is don't hear the
sections that so many people drag on. I very much like the minimalism
and noise sections.
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I agree with you on Dowsing. But isn't all music a noise section?
Edited by Shakespeare - May 04 2008 at 00:27
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:28 |
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Aura on an Asylum Wall is easily the best song on Dowsing
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Shakespeare
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:29 |
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LIMPID FORM, BABY
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:31 |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Dim
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:33 |
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Gemini FTW
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:35 |
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Kayo Dot is great. I love every second of every song they've ever done. I can think of nothing negative to say about them at all. From the pretty post-metal to the minimalist dirges to the jazz ballads, I can't get enough!
They're one of those bands that can do no wrong, in my opinion. Probably the only one in which I know I will like whatever they put out.
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http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:35 |
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Aura on an Asylum Wall is easily the best song on Dowsing
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Of course. Okay, everybody, time to rank Kayo Dot's songs, all of them. First, though, I'd like people to know that Blue Lambency Downward is reclicking. 1. The Manifold Curiosity 2. Wayfarer 3. Aura on an Asylum Wall 4. Don't Touch Dead Animals 5. Symmetrical Arizona 6. Immortelle and Paper Caravelle 7. The Awkward Windwheel 8. Marathon 9. Blue Lambency Downward 10. Gemini Becoming the Tripod 11. The Antique 12. __ On Limpid Form 13. Clelia Walking 14. A Pitcher of Summer 15. Right Hand Is the One I Want 16. The Sow Submits 17. The Useless Ladder 18. Amaranth the Peddler
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:44 |
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I'll rank with BLD, and repost after I've heard it and made a decision.
1. Amaranth The Peddler
2. ___ On Lipid Form
3. Wayfarer
4. Immortelle and Paper Caravelle
5. The Manifold Curiosity
6. Don't Touch Dead Animals
7. Gemini Becoming The Tripod
8. The Antique
9. Marathon
10. Aura On An Asylum Wall
11. Pitcher Of Summer
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 03:23 |
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Well, I just picked up my first Kayo Dot album; Choirs of the Eye. Being that I am a huge fan of experimental metal music, and even more of a fan of all things post, I'm pretty sure I enjoy this.
Edited by _JC_ - May 04 2008 at 03:23
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 03:28 |
_JC_ wrote:
Well, I just picked up my first Kayo Dot album; Choirs of the Eye. Being that I am a huge fan of experimental metal music, and even more of a fan of all things post, I'm pretty sure I enjoy this.
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Also, the fact that Choirs of the Eye is the best album ever released should help you enjoy it as well.
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 03:41 |
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 03:43 |
avalanchemaster wrote:
Pnoom! wrote:
_JC_ wrote:
Well, I just picked up my first Kayo Dot album; Choirs of the Eye. Being that I am a huge fan of experimental metal music, and even more of a fan of all things post, I'm pretty sure I enjoy this.
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Also, the fact that Choirs of the Eye is the best album ever released should help you enjoy it as well.
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oh the irony that we agree on the brilliance of this album, yet you chastise me in my other thread about metal...... 
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You might have noticed how, in the other thread, part of my frustration was that we largely agreed on a great many points, and yet we were arguing over something so fundamentally simple. No hard feelings from that thread, ok?  EDIT: oh, and go slap a ***** review on Choirs if you haven't already, eh? 
Edited by Pnoom! - May 04 2008 at 03:43
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avalanchemaster
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 03:57 |
Pnoom! wrote:
avalanchemaster wrote:
Pnoom! wrote:
_JC_ wrote:
Well, I just picked up my first Kayo Dot album; Choirs of the Eye. Being that I am a huge fan of experimental metal music, and even more of a fan of all things post, I'm pretty sure I enjoy this.
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Also, the fact that Choirs of the Eye is the best album ever released should help you enjoy it as well.
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oh the irony that we agree on the brilliance of this album, yet you chastise me in my other thread about metal......
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You might have noticed how, in the other thread, part of my frustration was that we largely agreed on a great many points, and yet we were arguing over something so fundamentally simple.
No hard feelings from that thread, ok?
EDIT: oh, and go slap a ***** review on Choirs if you haven't already, eh?
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nope. no hard feelings, it all boils down to the love of music, right? so explain to me in that other thread what we are misunderstanding...... I will have to listen to Choirs for days on end to give it a just review...
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 04:11 |
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I'm bored. Album ranking time.
1. Choirs of the Eye
2. Bath
3t. Dowsing Anemone With Copper Tongue
3t. Blue Lambency Downward
5. In the L..L..Library Loft
6. Leaving Your Body Map
7. Sixty Metonymies
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 08:39 |
do Kayo Dot actually play on Gregor Samsa's "Rest"? I listened to that album yesterday and it was hypnotic, a word I mean in its literal sense. 
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