not liking rock

laplace wrote: ye gods I can't understand why you get annoyed at people disliking things ;P I never said anything about the quality of the music, that I didn't have other options, or that anything in my original post was anything other than my opinion alone, yet I get the trademark pedantic DBG treatment everyone else: good posts ;P

Yeah, I know. I gotta watch my mood swings.. Unfortunately, modern pharmacology is not yet perfect when it comes to managing Bi-Polar II. That  And hope that the Penguins start playing better.
My apologies on going overboard. It is a touchy subject with me when I perceive (and it is sometimes just  my perception, not the writer's intention) that a music genre is being put down as if it were some how objectively inferior. Or worse, that the dismissal is based on the genre's stereotypes.
P.S. I have to look up the word Pedantic. Then hopefully amend my ways

Ghost Rider wrote: Atavachron wrote:  ^ most of that is fair except I would take issue with the 'pedestrian lyrics' of rock..  I've found as I mature that in fact the best rock'nroll has some of the more adult, truly sophisticated lyrics in music - Beatles, Paul Simon, CS&N, Bowie - these are the true wordsmiths in popular music, whereas Prog and Avant Garde tends to be more spaced-out and distracted   ..just an observation Hear, hear! Not all rock lyrics are about sex, booze and drugs, and even classic hard rock and heavy metal bands often have lyrics that are anything but pedestrian - check Metallica's Master of Puppets, for instance, or most of Blue Oyster Cult's albums. Anyway, I'm afraid Lappy's intent with this thread has been grossly misunderstood. He didn't want to embark on a rock-bashing crusade, but rather offer an interesting topic of discussion. Hopefully my own response (written by a true-blue rocker as I am) didn't sound confrontational.

\True, I've gone back and see clearly that he meant it as opinion and not objective fact. I should have noticed the exclusive use of "I" & "me".
Oh, and now I know what pedantic means. Now I'm checking out the word "ostentatious". So far, it seems I like books, precision, and subtle reasoning.
I would have thought it had something to do with pedals or pendants.
Ah bein, ca me laisse quand meme le perdant dans cette discussion.

To my eye, the only reason that laplace's post hasn't been deemed the post of a troll is because he is a well-known poster with what are in my opinion strange musical tastes.  Only a troll would go in to a Prog Rock forum and say I don't like rock and roll.  Taken without the context of his other similar posts, I would think that this thread is very negative and very insulting to most of the members of this forum.  Taken within the context of his other similar posts, I kind of have to wonder why he spends so much time in a Prog Rock forum where the topics of discussion generally conflict with his personal tastes. 

Hey wait, why is the tide turning now that I've admitted my going too far, and apologised ?
Oh, and the word ostentatious has nothing to do with being from Austin Texas. It means excessive something or other and pretentioning, which I thought was spelt pretending.  If there is time, I may indulge in some vain attempts at showing how glorious my writerings can be when I laplicate myself
Oh, to one and all - just remember (not the Alamo) that you can't kill rock n roll. Which isn't that big a deal, 'cause we couldn't kill disco, either, eh.

P.S. Laplace, you may want to read the quote at the bottom of my posts. It should give you an inkling of the fact that I am somewhat aware of my occasional failing(s). That's probably due to all the knowledge I've picked up over the years from books like Larousse dictionary's bio section, the Ritch hick's guide to the Galaxy, Gibbsons The decline and calls of the Rummy Umpire, a history of Napoleon's battles ,( Nota Bono Parte I & II), Maus, Robert Fulghum's excellent philosophical treatises, the rise of the Left waffle, and also the Rather Humongeous Book of Uppity Words (abridged version),  the Tao of Pooh, and the Te of Piglet (highly recommended), the Art of War (and its' uses in hockey, a special edition limited to the Canadian market), Bon Scott and his coming Beatification, "Why I'm Right" by Meo Dso  Rong, and of course my favourite "Franny & Zooey", although I wish I could remember what the ultimate moral or point of the book is. It has been 28 & a half years since that English Lit class back at U de M. I think somehow, it's because I identify with Zooey. And at times with Franny. Other times I identify with myself or my driver's ID.

P.S.S. the next 4 pages were not written as my fingers cramped while my mind wound up in high gear.

P.S.S.S. Your Mother !

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Edited by debrewguy - May 27 2008 at 14:29

Rushfan - Laplace spends so much time on this Progressive Rock forum because his "strange musical tastes" are represented in the archives as Progressive Rock, plain and simple. Now obviously you can wonder if his "strange musical tastes" are really rock or not, but they are listed here anyway.

And the bands he criticised (AC/DC, Led Zep, The Eagles, Deep Purple, Thin Lizzy, Rush - ah, now I get it  etc.) are, except for Rush, NOT Progressive Rock, the ones that are in the archives are in the (unnecessary) Prog Related category.

AC/DC, Rush, Alice Cooper....they've all been some of my favorite bands for the longest time. I generally like classic rock, not all of it...but a good majority of it.

QOTSA = not for me. Same with Kyuss et al; do not want. o:) but I do like the Melvins when they're messing about.

(I don't mind people thinking my tastes are strange, but outside of prog I do tend to listen to the "obvious" bands from each genre - those genres just aren't much to do with rock'n'roll.)

I came here for the progressive rock (nostalgia to a  large extent), but stayed for the progressive music.

The T wrote: It's weird...If someone had started a thread called "not liking rap" or "not liking punk", the "close minded" arguments would have been there from the beginning... But it's so safe to say "i don't like rock"... A negative thread. Weren't we supposed not to promote them?

I seem to remember that you were one to promote free speech of the old I may not agree with you, but I'll defend you're right to say it. Not negating your thoughts here, nor is this really a response to your post, just following my own train of thought from your post.

Censuring such "negative" threads is a kind of censorship that I could not easily tolerate.  For me, this  is a constructive and interesting thread, though.  We have been encouraged not to promote negative threads.  Not sure if that's a rule or a request.  While me must follow forum rules; we're not little kids.  It is our responsibility, since we're guests here and minor representatives of the site, to try to do what we're told, or requested to do.  And if one is too much of a free spirit; go, but that's by-the-by.

I don't have much sympathy for those who come down on people for not liking certain kinds of music, be it rap, country, metal or chamber music.  I do applaud those knowledgeable people who respond positively by taking that person's tastes into account and suggesting music from those genres that may appeal.  I probably have more eclectic tastes than most, but I've found music that appeals in most genres I've known and explored.  What commonly happens, I find, is that people "diss" a  style of music without having explored it much, and without anything intelligent to say about what they don't like about it (often with too general assumptions that show a lack of knowledge).  Can one say all rap is bad if one hasn't delved into the great variety of rap that is out there?  I enjoy lots of punk music, but wouldn't expect many others to appreciate it.

I don't have such a problem with such negative threads as I do negative responses about people who make or write in negative threads, or criticising people for posting about their tastes and opinions of music, literature etc.

I think it's important to remember to be tolerant of other's tastes.  There's nothing wrong with saying one doesn't like certain music, in my opinion (in fact I like to know what people like as much as dislike -- it interests me), where it crosses the line is when it becomes a personal attack on other's tastes.  It also crosses the line when someone attacks someone for expressing an opinion on music.

I've always been surprised when people take offence because someone doesn't like the same music they do and dares to express it.

For instance, I can say in terms of my taste that the music of Spock's Beard is horrible, but it would be wrong to say that people are idiots for liking music that is horrible for me.

I just hope that negativity can be balanced with positivism.  I'd rather people say what they like and don't like than just what they like or just what they don't like. Off on a tangent, but if I start a thread on a band that I like, I appreciate it when someone takes the time to sample the music and give their impressions good or bad (hopefully beyond merely saying "It sucks" -- cause that's boring.  I don't find it offensive, but it's not constructive.  That has to do with me also appreciating those who try to explore music that is outside of their normal tastes (good way to expand one's tastes).  But I'm also just plain interested in how people think and express themselves.  I like threads such as this one, as long as people try to express their personalities and are thoughtful in how they express themselves/ respond.  We can show respect for each-other's tastes and points of view without being in agreement.

As I've often said, one of the worst kinds of worst negativity, for me, is negativity directed towards an individual because of perceived negativity on what are really matters of taste.  I don't find it offensive when someone is dismissive of music I like, but when one is easily dismissive of, or insulting/ sarcastic to, a person for not liking certain music, for liking certain music, or expressing an opinion, that can be problematic for me.  Vive la difference.  It's only rock and roll music, but I like it like some of it.

what's sad is that, on a discussion forum, people are about to come in and quote you and give you any amount of clappies for stating the ultimate in neutral and undiscussable positions, like the solipsism of taste. o:)

I didn't just make the thread to say "look I listen to industrial lolz" but because I knew there were others out there who feel the same way. in particular I always appreciate Logan, Rocktopus and Yukorin's posts and I knew they'd appear. and honestly, artists and bands can be our mutual friends ;P

don't take it too hard laplacido, part of the price for Forum Stimulation?    ..please continue wearing your different tastes proudly,  I would