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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2008 at 12:53
Bowie made lots of music, some of it progressive and some not, just like lots of folks on this site, prog related or otherwise (DP, ELP, Genesis, Yes etc). Thanks Michael for getting him on the site, some of his music is amazing, but usually in very subtle ways.

As far as substance and style go, often his substance is his deep knowledge of style and his ability to merge, subvert and deconstruct many styles at once, the man knows his music.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2008 at 15:34
Just in time for tomorrow's Mail On Sunday Bowie Cd giveaway - very un-prog the Mail newspapersWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2008 at 15:34
I was just listening to Station to Station by him.  As much as I like Bowie's music, I'm still very against the whole "prog-related" idea, but maybe it will lead to some prog fans giving him a second chance - his hits never did too much for me but all 4 albums I have by him (Ziggy, Aladdin Sane, Station to Station, and Heroes - need Low and Hunky Dory next) are awesome.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2008 at 15:43
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Just in time for tomorrow's Mail On Sunday Bowie Cd giveaway - very un-prog the Mail newspapersWink
Hmm, given away by them so far... Genesis, Peter Gabriel & J M Jarre, Big%20smile ... Ermm Prince, Lenny Kravitts & Paul McCartney... Embarrassed  okay - you win Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2008 at 15:49
Originally posted by darqDean darqDean wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Just in time for tomorrow's Mail On Sunday Bowie Cd giveaway - very un-prog the Mail newspapersWink
Hmm, given away by them so far... Genesis, Peter Gabriel & J M Jarre, Big%20smile ... Ermm Prince, Lenny Kravitts & Paul McCartney... Embarrassed  okay - you win Wink


Smacks of either sale-out or over-popularity fort the Mail to be interested : and it can't be real prog if it is popular, surely....................Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2008 at 15:56
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by darqDean darqDean wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Just in time for tomorrow's Mail On Sunday Bowie Cd giveaway - very un-prog the Mail newspapersWink
Hmm, given away by them so far... Genesis, Peter Gabriel & J M Jarre, Big%20smile ... Ermm Prince, Lenny Kravitts & Paul McCartney... Embarrassed  okay - you win Wink


Smacks of either sale-out or over-popularity fort the Mail to be interested : and it can't be real prog if it is popular, surely....................Cool
It's not about selling newspapers to Mail-readers, they'll buy it regardless of what's stuck to the cover with supersnot - it's about attracting new readers who otherwise wouldn't have bought it.
 
When they gave away Prince's Planet Earth free, I bought it -  the disc went in my pocket andf the paper went in the bin outside Tesco's Express.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2008 at 16:05
What does Prince's new one sound like, he has an obvious appreciation for prog-rock and occaisonally has some nice prog/jazz instrumentals.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2008 at 16:08
I remember that time in the early Eighties when the notorious British magazine Kerrang! put Prince on its cover, following the release of Purple Rain. Much uproar ensued, but I for one applauded them for their open-mindedness.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2008 at 16:11
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

What does Prince's new one sound like, he has an obvious appreciation for prog-rock and occaisonally has some nice prog/jazz instrumentals.
Ah... only played it once - can't remember Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2008 at 01:10
Ch-ch-ch-changes!


Besides that, I have no comment on this topic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2008 at 15:59
Well.  I'm not sure I consider Bowie to be prog...even prog-related. However, as he is one of my favorite artists, I can hardly complain too much about his inclusion,  Actually, he did incorporate a lot of prog elements into some of his music...the long lyrical narrative of Cygnet Committee, the spacy parts of Low and Heroes, his concept albums, some jazz fusion here and there and some symphonic leanings from time to time.  Whatever! Prog or not prog...a great musician and songwriter.  In fact, I was listening to Outside earlier this evening, and in spite of its industrial leanings is a quite good album and has some proggy moments too, especially in the sleeve notes/story (that one could give the Lamb a run for its money in terms of sheer wierdness).  It'll be fun to discuss him with other prog fans, and so good to have him on board.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2008 at 17:25

Well, he's in prog related so I can understand and support his inclusion.   Of course, this opens the door for Boston who also should be in prog related.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2008 at 17:33
love ya Ghosty.. and respect the hell out of you Clap... but comparing Boston and David Bowie is comparing apples and oranges. 

by the way. now that I think of it....  I told you some time back that Rundgren was approved for addition...  I can't remember.. were you interested in doing a bio since I know you are a fan of his. If not.. let me know.. I toss together a bio so he can be added.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2008 at 00:11
^ Actually it's comparing Boston to Bowie. Cool
 
Bowie is not one of my faves but he does belong in PR.  No doubt about it.  Early use of mellotron and concept albums.

Boston I don't agree.  Tom Schulz was a great songwriter and he played one really great Hammond intro but I don't think they belong. People always compare them to Kansas but when I think of Boston later 70s' Journey, Foreigner and the like I think of taking Kansas vocals and watering down the music.  Very radio friendly but no innovative or even technical.  I hate very much that Kansas is always lumped in with these groups as well.

These groups didn't take the subtle extremely technical guitar and keyboard work under the melodies like Kansas did.  Early Journey prior to Steve Perry is an exception as well as Styx prior to 1977.  If Boston happend in 1974 instead of 1977 maybe there is a case.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2008 at 17:27
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

^ Actually it's comparing Boston to Bowie. Cool
 
Bowie is not one of my faves but he does belong in PR.  No doubt about it.  Early use of mellotron and concept albums.

Boston I don't agree.  Tom Schulz was a great songwriter and he played one really great Hammond intro but I don't think they belong. People always compare them to Kansas but when I think of Boston later 70s' Journey, Foreigner and the like I think of taking Kansas vocals and watering down the music.  Very radio friendly but no innovative or even technical.  I hate very much that Kansas is always lumped in with these groups as well.

These groups didn't take the subtle extremely technical guitar and keyboard work under the melodies like Kansas did.  Early Journey prior to Steve Perry is an exception as well as Styx prior to 1977.  If Boston happend in 1974 instead of 1977 maybe there is a case.



I know  personally I've been of two minds about Boston.. and Ivan is always happy to point out my  inconsistencies in a pinch LOL  Can they be here...  yeah sure...  Bowie was a bad comparison... but compare Boston to some others.. it does get sort of hazy .. and I know it's hard for some to see some groups here .. and not see others...  but the point that sort of trumps all is .. not whether they are prog related because ..really... who wasn't in the 70's....  to some .. AOR was an offshoot of symphonic prog..  big stadium, multi-platinum  American style. The real question  is ...what makes the most 'sense'  for the site..  that is why the admins handle it.. not even the SC's. That is how I see it at least.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2008 at 20:53
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

instead of 1977 maybe there is a case.

...  but the point that sort of trumps all is .. not whether they are prog related because ..really... who wasn't in the 70's.... 
 
Ya know, Micky, you've hit the nail directly on the head.  I'll leave Bowie out of the mix here as I've commented on him earlier in the thread.  But realistically, Boston, Styx, Kansas, Foreigner, Blue Oyster Cult, Journey, Toto, etc. can all be shoe-horned in to the prog-related category if we keep our blinders on or look at specific albums as opposed to the band's entire output (but I guess we have to do that with the prog bands as well...Love Beach, anyone?)
 
But back to the point:  these bands had big ambitions, were influenced by the prog bands in one way or another (and in Foreigner's case actually had one as a member), and produced music which was a step above the usual Top 40 garbage of the time (ahem...others may argue they WERE the garbage Top 40 of the time).  They were not afraid of extended suites, synths, perhaps a violin player, and even the odd sorta-concept album.  
 
BOC is already here.  I'd say it's only a matter of time before we see some of the others showing up.  As mentioned earlier, I don't care one way or another; I'm just not that emotionally invested whether or not Foreigner shows up here.  Sad, I guess I'm no longer a purist. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2008 at 21:09

so much to say, so few who will listen.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2008 at 21:12
This is what bothers me, Saturday we added the FANTASTIC Alex Carpani Band, 100% Progressive with an amazing debut album released 6 months ago and nobody has even cared to reply to the thread.
 
But David Bowie, a barely Prog Related artist that released his last proggy album 40 years ago is added and we have 65 replies.
 
We have a discussion about genres and two 100% Prog bands like TRICANTROPUS and URBAN TRAPEZE almost had no place because they don't fit in a genre, but Bowie is here.
 
The site promotes CONTRARIAN, another 100% Prog band, and we have people saying they shouldn't be promoted because they are Retro Prog Cheese, but David Bowie, not Prog with a lot of Pop Cheese (among some excellent albums) has 3 pages of replies.
 
Pathetic for a Prog site.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2008 at 21:19
Maybe it's because a search for any of those bands on Amazon returns 0 results.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2008 at 21:21
LOL
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