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The T 
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 Topic: TFTO vs TLLDOB: excess vs excess
Posted: August 01 2008 at 14:12 |
A recent poll put together "Close to The Edge" and "Foxtrot", which in my view are each band's best albums (with FX beating CTTE in my opinion).... Now let's compare albums that have been called "pretentious" or "excess".
I choose The Lamb by 498374938 miles. Even though it's too-long and lacks some of the magic found on other GENESIS albums, it's still a flawed masterpiece. TFTO (which I just heard again), on the other hand, is terribly boring and borders on atrocity at times.... For me, one is an excess... the second is an excessive amount of ego put on a record....
Vote. Or fade.
Edited by The T - August 01 2008 at 14:14
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Pnoom!
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 14:29 |
I actually agree with The T. 
The difference between the two is that The Lamb is a substantial album
done to excess, making it somewhat less enjoyable than it could/should
be, but not bad at all. Tales, on the other hand, is pure excess with
little or no substance.
Edited by Pnoom! - August 01 2008 at 14:32
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King of Loss
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 14:32 |
Tales is one of my favorite albums and the Lamb is pretty awesome too.. I will vote for Tales 
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Padraic
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 14:39 |
 The T wrote:
I choose The Lamb Tales from Topographic Oceans by 498374938 miles |
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 14:53 |
The T wrote:
on the other hand, is terribly boring and borders on atrocity at times.... For me, one is an excess... the second is an excessive amount of ego put on a record....
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I like reading posts backwards. And from this, I figured you were talking Dream Theater. Anyway, I enjoy each album about equally. Some of the respective band's best work to be found on each, even the underrated second LP of The Lamb. I prefer the first LP on each, but they're still good and I don't consider either to be excessive really, it's much easier for me to sit through these two albums than some longer contemporary albums where I drift off halfway through.
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micky
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 15:21 |
no comment ...none needed...  this has been done 3 times already Teo.. *wags finger in direction of* http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45683&KW=Lamb http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39747&KW=Lamb http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23026&KW=Lamb
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digdug
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 15:25 |
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I agree with the T !
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 15:53 |
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I'll be short, though I could come up with more: Don't find excess in The Lamb. TFTO, on the other hand, is flawed. Not disastrous, though truly excessive, but anyway flawed. Some moments are masterful, others hurt bad.
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 16:13 |
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I'm with Ricochet and Pnoom! ,well you know what i mean. I'll have the Lamb please.
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bruin69
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 17:38 |
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The Lamb for me; I never considered it that excessive (maybe because I grew up listening to excessive prog!) though a little overlong. Very few duff tracks, just a little filler, and maybe 'It' is a little anticlimactic - a good track but not the powerhouse ending it should have been. TfTO on the other hand, is the only Yes album I can't bring myself to enjoy - admire, in parts, but not enjoy.
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 17:52 |
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tales is kinda boring.. lamb is one of the best concept albums ever and has a few boring trax, so lamb i guess,
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crimson87
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 18:22 |
Tales all the way!!!! Proficiency in prog.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 18:33 |
jwxlite wrote:
tales is kinda boring.. lamb is one of the best concept albums ever and has a few boring trax, so lamb i guess,
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 19:34 |
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 19:42 |
The Lamb hands down, the definitive conceptual album IMO.
Iván
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The Quiet One
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 20:06 |
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Lambs concept is really good, while the music while not being bad it's not as great and awsome as in the previous albums.
While Tales is much more interesting in the musical aspect.4 gigantic tracks, one of them being completely boring, I must admit, but the other 3 are one of Yes' best tracks ever composed, IMHO.
I rate both albums 4 stars of excellent albums, but my taste goes to Tales.
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 20:08 |
What's wrong with TFTO??? are we on a prog site here or is it the hillbillies?
''The Revealing Science..'' is as good , as majestic as any other great YESepic, the same goes for ''Ritual''.
''The Remembering'' has very nice moments, but sure could have been shortened, ''The Ancient'' is more of an acquired taste, but at least YES showed they could outside of their comfort zone and be adventurous.
So long live TFTO!! 
About ''The lost Lamb....''' never got into it back then in 74, tried hard many times, recently again with the CD version........No, nope, nada, closed, a hermetic wall between me and the lamb, can't go through and Gabriel vocals REALLY annoys my poor ears! Sorry!
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el böthy
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 21:21 |
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Man, aren´talready like two or three polls including both of this albums?
Oh and The T.. I thought you said you´ll never change your avatar... whats up with that? If I cant trust in The T anymore... how can I have faith in this world?
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The T
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Posted: August 01 2008 at 21:43 |
el böthy wrote:
Man, aren´talready like two or three polls including both of this albums?
Oh and The T.. I thought you said you´ll never change your avatar... whats up with that? If I cant trust in The T anymore... how can I have faith in this world?
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Didn't see those polls.. anyway... it's that time of the year....
And my avatar... it was time. That old pic was, well, old.
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Zargus
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Posted: August 02 2008 at 04:19 |
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Love both, but the Lamb a litle bit more.
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