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    Posted: August 17 2008 at 19:35
Yes this man should be added. He has a lot of the same arguments that were made for Miles Davis' inclusion, but with a couple of differences.

Herbie Hancock's influence on the jazz and jazz-rock scene was (is) very big. Probably more than Return to Forever and almost as much as Weather Report.

First, Herbie Hancock was very active in the jazz-rock explosion of the late 60s, first using an electric piano in 67-68 and very involved in Miles Davis' albums during this period and beyond. He also released a very early jazz-rock/fusion album titled Fat Albert Rotunda in 1969.

His experimental Mwandishi albums expanded on the early 70s route Miles Davis took, pushing the boundaries for avant-guard free jazz-rock/fusion. Many odd time signatures can be found in these albums, and lots of different instruments were used.

Then Herbie Hancock changed musical direction. He revolutionized jazz-funk with Headhunters and Thrust. Headhunters became one of the best selling jazz albums of all time. Funk had been around since the late 60s, but this was something completely new, and really put funk on the map. So many musicians would be influenced and inspired this music.

Even the prog bands were. After Headhunters came out, countless prog rock bands incorporated some funk into their music. Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Yes, Gentle Giant, and would also influence other jazz musicians as well. In fact the music HH made is still ahead of its time, in that jazz-fusion artists of today still find inspiration in the Headhunters and beyond.

Herbie Hancock didnt just make jazz-funk albums and improvise most of the time, there are many odd times, and really syncopated rhythms going on. Not to mention great melodies and prog sections. Hancock also revolutionized the way synthesizers, clavinet, and other keyboard effects we take for granted on this site were used. He made you think you were listening to other instruments. For example, the opening bass line for Chameleon is actually the keyboard. And what sounds like the guitar part is actually the bass.

Another example is the next track, Watermelon Man, where what sounds like a guitar is actually the keyboards.

Herbie Hancock never stopped expanding. The 80s he revolutionized electronic music and in the 90s and 2000s he has always been looking for something new. His very progressive jazz-rock/funk/hip hop album "Dis Is Da Drum" is very fresh and original and came out in 1994 (i think)

Herbie Hancock was a master of progressive jazz-funk and jazz-rock/fusion and jazz and progressive hip hop and many other styles of music. He is also one of the only Miles fusion alumni to not be here, everyone else is. He was integral in the development of jazz-fusion, and (almost) as important as Davis.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2008 at 19:59
I think Dick Heath should be able to discuss this matter. Not sure where he is at the moment, but let's hope he picks up on this one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2008 at 20:01
Yes..  Dick has opinions on HH LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2008 at 20:06
to be honest I'm a bit surprised he's not already here or being discussed, that's not to say I support cause I'd have to go back and listen to the important stuff..  Crossings is genius but clearly not Progressive rock, or JazzRock really










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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2008 at 02:47
^^^ that's debatable

Yes we need Dick Heath. I dont know why this topic hasnt been brought up before...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2008 at 02:58
Originally posted by Atavachron

  Crossings is genius but clearly not Progressive rock, or JazzRock really


? It's clearly not? Its jazzfusion although its very experimental, isn't it? That and Sextant are two of my jazzrock fusion-favorites, although they don't rock like Miles did.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2008 at 21:45
formally put HH before the J-R team for an up or down vote.. let's see what they say.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2008 at 21:52
Drum roll please ...

I love Herbie, I just get confused as to whether rock means RnB and funk or not. Some say yes, some say no. If RnB is rock then we need to look at Mandrill, early Earth Wind and Fire, Rotary Connection, Funkadelic, Stevie Wonder etc.

With the recent additions of Miles, Bowie and David Sancious I'm pretty happy and not pushing for anything ... yet.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2008 at 22:13

Herbie's a bit of an odd duck in the fusion world, because much of it really isn't fusion (in the sense that Return to Forever or Weather Report are).  Sextant is probably the closest he came to that, just before he decided to go the funk route.  When that well dried up, he went back to straight jazz (the VSOP recordings) then with RockIt assimilated more or less hip-hop.  Given the uproar over Miles, I'm not so sure about Herbie.    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2008 at 11:27
Originally posted by darkshade

Yes this man should be added. He has a lot of the same arguments that were made for Miles Davis' inclusion, but with a couple of differences.

Herbie Hancock's influence on the jazz and jazz-rock scene was (is) very big. Probably more than Return to Forever and almost as much as Weather Report.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 03:39
I'm surprised there hasnt been more support on this site.. Cry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 13:55
maybe it's the timing.. you could try again in a few months (an eternity on  PA Wink )

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 14:03
For some reason I thought I'd responded to this topic -- Metallica must have distracted me.  From what I know, and have heard, I believe that Hancock would be a good addition to the archives.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:16
obviously many people have their attentions elsewhere. LOL Had hoped announcing Steely Dan's approval for example  would take some of the flames off of Metallica.. but that sure didn't happen.  Oh well... Bowie was a bust.. counted on at least ONE person bursting into flame and having their head explode.  Hopefully someone will humour me and do that when Fagen and Becker.. two hacks devoid of talent, vision, and completely unproggessive make their appearance here. LOL

if that fails..  maybe the next Xover addition will hahhahahah.  We try to please people.. no one likes a dull forum.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:19
Sextant, Mwandishi, and Crossings could fit in RIO.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:21
I know Martin and Richard are looking at HH.  We'll see what they say. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:27
Originally posted by darkshade

I'm surprised there hasnt been more support on this site.. Cry
 
Could it be because this is Prog Archives and not Jazz Archives. Wink
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 23:21
maybe the timing was a little bad. But hey Herbie Hancock is waaaaaayy more prog than Metallica could ever try to be
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 23:36
Originally posted by darkshade

maybe the timing was a little bad. But hey Herbie Hancock is waaaaaayy more prog than Metallica could ever try to be
 
Please stop this comparisons:
 
  1. Metallica's inclusion or not has no relation with Hancock
  2. Metallica would go at the most to Prog Related
  3. HH would go to Fusion
  4. IMO none of them shoud be here.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 23:42
Originally posted by rileydog22

Sextant, Mwandishi, and Crossings could fit in RIO.  



Now that I think about it, people would be upset enough about Hancock going into FUSION, RIO would just blow their minds.  But the way I see it, his career went jazz, RIO, funk, electronics, in that order.  The RIO part is the only part that can fit on the archives IMO. 

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