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    Posted: October 29 2008 at 15:28
One of the most unique modern progressive metal bands and possibly the most influential progressive hard rock band of all time are against each other this round. Make sure to vote in order to make the results happen!

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: If you are not familiar with one or both of the band's material, I urge that you use the links provided and at least listen to the samples on their respective pages (or Youtube if the particular band has no online streaming).

Rush's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=609
Kayo Dot's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1870

As always, discussions are encouraged.

Recap:
Round 2
B1: Marillion v. Area       (32-35)
B2: Emerson, Lake and Palmer v. Tangerine Dream    (37-25)
B3: Can v. Opeth      (31-34)
B4: Van der Graaf Generator v. Samla Mammas Manna    (47-12)

B1: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52648&PN=1
B2: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52714
B3: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52795
B4: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52869


Round 1
A1:  Mahavishnu Orchestra v. Marillion      (24-28)
A2:  Gong v. Area    (18-19)
A3:  Emerson, Lake and Palmer v. The Flower Kings      (22-14)
A4:  The Residents v. Tangerine Dream    (12-15)
A5:  Can v. Dream Theater    (42-37)
A6:  Echolyn v. Opeth    (11-18)
A7:  Van der Graaf Generator v. The Mars Volta    (54-18)
A8:  Samla Mammas Manna v. Radiohead      (27-26)
A9:  Rush v. Tool    (55-21)
A10: Meshuggah v. Kayo Dot     (15-21)
A11: Henry Cow v. Amon Duul II      (17-12)
A12: Soft Machine v. Magma      (23-25)
A13: Ayreon v. Le Orme      (26-29)
A14: Ozric Tentacles v. Hawkwind         (21-27)
A15: Koenjihyakkei v. Univers Zero       (10-17)
A16: Gentle Giant v. Camel        (41-29)

A1: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2
A2: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1
A3: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1
A4: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1
A5: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51711&PN=1
A6: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51778
A7: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51855
A8: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51928&PN=1
A9: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52011
A10: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52091
A11: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52158&PN=1
A12: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52246
A13: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52336
A14: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52411&PN=1
A15: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52487&PN=1
A16: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52571
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Well that was easy.  Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 15:33
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Well that was easy.  Cool


Yeah, it was for me too. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 15:34
Mamma Mia!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 15:49

Probably the easiest poll yet...

"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 15:50
It's the next one that's going to be impossible for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 16:01
Much as I do like Rush, and as important to me as the band was to me in my teens, Kayo Dot's Choirs Of The Eye is definitely a good enough album for me to give KD a vote. It also has the advantage over Rush albums, when it comes to my tastes, with the instrumentation.  Rush does well with synths and keyboards, but I love having non-typical rock instruments in a line-up -- it makes it much richer and more diverse for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 16:01
Kayo Dot

This is distinctly unfair!Cry I demand a re-match.Tongue

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 16:05
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Much as I do like Rush, and as important to me as the band was to me in my teens, Kayo Dot's Choirs Of The Eye is definitely a good enough album for me to give KD a vote. It also has the advantage over Rush albums, when it comes to my tastes, with the instrumentation.  Rush does well with synths and keyboards, but I love having non-typical rock instruments in a line-up -- it makes it much richer and more diverse for me.


I tried Dowsing Anemone with Copper Tongue and just found it to be a mess.  There were some interesting passages in there but overall the album couldn't hold my interest.  Yes it's far more avant, out-there, whatever, but it didn't do it for me.  I'll take Rush's solid, consistent output in a heartbeat.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 16:09
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Much as I do like Rush, and as important to me as the band was to me in my teens, Kayo Dot's Choirs Of The Eye is definitely a good enough album for me to give KD a vote. It also has the advantage over Rush albums, when it comes to my tastes, with the instrumentation.  Rush does well with synths and keyboards, but I love having non-typical rock instruments in a line-up -- it makes it much richer and more diverse for me.


I tried Dowsing Anemone with Copper Tongue and just found it to be a mess.  There were some interesting passages in there but overall the album couldn't hold my interest.  Yes it's far more avant, out-there, whatever, but it didn't do it for me.  I'll take Rush's solid, consistent output in a heartbeat.

Dowsing Anemone... doesnt do anything for me either, particularly the two longer tracks at the end. However, Choirs of the Eye and Blue Lambency Downward are both masterpieces IMO. The Manifold Curiosity is on the bands page here, I suggest you give it a try to see how you like it, its fairly typical of that album, andalso cmpletely different to anything on the two following albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 16:12
I could easily vote for Rush, but I've got to admit, what little I've heard from Kayo Dot has really got me interested.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 16:12
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Much as I do like Rush, and as important to me as the band was to me in my teens, Kayo Dot's Choirs Of The Eye is definitely a good enough album for me to give KD a vote. It also has the advantage over Rush albums, when it comes to my tastes, with the instrumentation.  Rush does well with synths and keyboards, but I love having non-typical rock instruments in a line-up -- it makes it much richer and more diverse for me.


I tried Dowsing Anemone with Copper Tongue and just found it to be a mess.  There were some interesting passages in there but overall the album couldn't hold my interest.  Yes it's far more avant, out-there, whatever, but it didn't do it for me.  I'll take Rush's solid, consistent output in a heartbeat.

Dowsing Anemone... doesnt do anything for me either, particularly the two longer tracks at the end. However, Choirs of the Eye and Blue Lambency Downward are both masterpieces IMO. The Manifold Curiosity is on the bands page here, I suggest you give it a try to see how you like it, its fairly typical of that album, andalso cmpletely different to anything on the two following albums.


Interesting - is there a lot of agreement that Dowsing was a bit of a misstep?  I will certainly check out the sample and see if I can get one of the other albums you mentioned.  I certainly don't want to judge the band based on something that's not their best work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 16:14
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Much as I do like Rush, and as important to me as the band was to me in my teens, Kayo Dot's Choirs Of The Eye is definitely a good enough album for me to give KD a vote. It also has the advantage over Rush albums, when it comes to my tastes, with the instrumentation.  Rush does well with synths and keyboards, but I love having non-typical rock instruments in a line-up -- it makes it much richer and more diverse for me.


I tried Dowsing Anemone with Copper Tongue and just found it to be a mess.  There were some interesting passages in there but overall the album couldn't hold my interest.  Yes it's far more avant, out-there, whatever, but it didn't do it for me.  I'll take Rush's solid, consistent output in a heartbeat.


I much prefer Choirs of the Eye to Dowsing Anenome....  You've found Rush consistent? I haven't been able to get into modern Rush.  Even their latest, which some considered a return to form, I found unimpressive and not satisfyingly progressive (the former ones more mediocre), but to each his or her own taste.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 16:21
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Much as I do like Rush, and as important to me as the band was to me in my teens, Kayo Dot's Choirs Of The Eye is definitely a good enough album for me to give KD a vote. It also has the advantage over Rush albums, when it comes to my tastes, with the instrumentation.  Rush does well with synths and keyboards, but I love having non-typical rock instruments in a line-up -- it makes it much richer and more diverse for me.


I tried Dowsing Anemone with Copper Tongue and just found it to be a mess.  There were some interesting passages in there but overall the album couldn't hold my interest.  Yes it's far more avant, out-there, whatever, but it didn't do it for me.  I'll take Rush's solid, consistent output in a heartbeat.

Dowsing Anemone... doesnt do anything for me either, particularly the two longer tracks at the end. However, Choirs of the Eye and Blue Lambency Downward are both masterpieces IMO. The Manifold Curiosity is on the bands page here, I suggest you give it a try to see how you like it, its fairly typical of that album, andalso cmpletely different to anything on the two following albums.


Interesting - is there a lot of agreement that Dowsing was a bit of a misstep?  I will certainly check out the sample and see if I can get one of the other albums you mentioned.  I certainly don't want to judge the band based on something that's not their best work.

Dowsing is a marmite album, you either love it or hate it. Many people love, as seen by it being voted album of the year 06 here by the collabs, but there's a good number of people that dont like it for its feeling of being noodly and that it takes a lot from drone music.

All three of their albums are very different, with CotE leaning a lot more to the extreme metal side at times, Dowsing Anemone... much more drone/post metal influenced and BLD being more jazz and I dont know what, but no metal their.

They're also in the wrong genre, they belong in Avant Garde.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 16:24
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:



I much prefer Choirs of the Eye to Dowsing Anenome....  You've found Rush consistent? I haven't been able to get into modern Rush.  Even their latest, which some considered a return to form, I found unimpressive and not satisfyingly progressive (the former ones more mediocre), but to each his or her own taste.


Yes, I have found Rush consistent.  Their latest is indeed not progressive, but rather a good rock album that I do enjoy.  I could say more, but as you said ultimately it's just a taste thing.  They've been a favorite band of mine for almost 20 years.  That's not going to change just because of my newfound enjoyment of bands like Henry Cow or Univers Zero.

edit:  listened to the Choirs of the Eye sample and unfortunately I wasn't really taken with it either.



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Mamma Mia!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 16:38
Rush was a favourite band of mine through most of the 80's, but I went off hard rock in the 90's -- was more into jazz and electronic then (subsequently I've been moving back into hard rock more).  I'm still big on early Prog bands I loved when I was a kid such as Focus and Gryphon, but my tastes have changed quite a bit throughout the years as I've gone through different musical phases (sometimes I return to music I once loved, then lost interest, then regained interest).  As for Kayo Dot, I still don't have Blue Lambency Downward, but like what I've heard: http://www.myspace.com/kayodot
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