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Padraic

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 19:46

A thread dormant for over a year resurrected just to post a facepalm. Brilliant. Ermm

Tony R

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 19:44

Sigh.

Will you please stop using f*****g profanities!

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 19:04

stonebeard wrote:

Henry Plainview wrote:

holy sh*t can people please stop posting facepalm pictures already

Maybe you might consider stop getting mad at everything. Shocked

I would add that a blood pressure check would be in order HenryP.

Edited by Tony R - March 05 2010 at 19:43

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 18:54

Henry Plainview wrote:

holy sh*t can people please stop posting facepalm pictures already

Maybe you might consider stop getting mad at everything. Shocked

Edited by Tony R - March 05 2010 at 19:43

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 18:45

Alberto Muñoz wrote:

this thread need this:

holy sh*t can people please stop posting facepalm pictures already

Edited by Tony R - March 05 2010 at 19:42

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Posted: March 05 2010 at 13:15

this thread need this:

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Posted: December 09 2008 at 00:55

The T wrote:

Ok.... Let's just say that Korn will go to exp/metal, Limp Biskit to extreme/tech and Stratovarius to prog-metal, ok? That way we please are members... and we finally can start welcoming artists like Rolling Stones, Shakira (both mentioned here), plus others like Kylie Minogue (my favorite female artist, not for her music so much), Mayhem, (I like them, that's enough), Meat Loaf (Ivan and others like him, that's enough), The Presidents of the United States of America (they have an important name, that's enough), Hombres G (believe me, that's enough), El General (his lyrics are enough) and many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many more.......

And finally I would see Alice In Chains in there Tongue

oh god this is amazing!!! Maybe the site can be renamed to "My Prog Archives" what do you think??
Oh and please don't forget Carlitos La Mona Jimenez, one of my fav latin artists (right after Los Jaivas of course). Everything seems OK, but... Los Hombres G??? Oh come on!!! They don't play so technically to be prog!!!

This is not my beautiful house...

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Posted: December 08 2008 at 09:48

Classical music didn't influence prog bands. It is the reason that this site and just about everything music wise that we love exists. I fully agree that Deep Purple are proto Prog. My argument is not that Stratovarius are one form of prog or another. My argument is that I cannot find Strat anywhere at all on the Site which I feel is absolutely not right.

Anyone want to try to tell me that Stravinsky or Mazorski are not prog even by todays standard then go ahead. Again - I don't want to see classical music on the Site at all but what I would like to see is an understanding of music. This is not Liverpool vs Arsenal - it's music - probably the deepest art form available to humankind.

I've heard it said that a musician who cannot appreciate the classics is not a musician and I agree with that whole heartedly. You will never catch me listening to much classical music because it bores me because we've advanced technologically and we have a deeper understanding of music.

I've given up the fight for Stratovarius here and maybe now and then I will enter the fray again but not now. It is obvious that I can't win.

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Posted: December 08 2008 at 09:45

slaver wrote:

Dean - when someone tells me that Mozart aint prog then I just know that I have no chance of winning.

Mozart is not Prog!

Neither Bach,, Beethoven or even Stravinsky, mainly because Prog means Proressive ROCK, and as I guess you know....There's no Rock in Classical music..

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Posted: December 08 2008 at 06:26

^yes, he seems very confused on the definition of Prog, even if it isn't 100% perfect, it's what the site requests.
I can barely think of Classical music as Prog, they influenced Prog bands a lot, but INFLUENCE A PROG BAND DOESN'T MEAN PROG, like I said on the other thread which again you seemed confused, Deep Purple are in PROTO-Prog which is that influenced Prog bands on their Prog albums/concepts/etc..

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Posted: December 08 2008 at 06:03

slaver wrote:

Dean - when someone tells me that Mozart aint prog then I just know that I have no chance of winning.

Of course Mozart cannot be included here because then this would become a classical music appreciation site, but NOT PROG????? If it weren't for him and his ilk we wouldn't be listening to very much Prog today - would we now? Possibly we would be listening to Metallica because that has nothing really in common with the "Greats".

In my opinion you're trapped in the misconception that any music which is technically advanced and visionary/innovative automatically qualifies as "Prog". But the label is a bit more complex - and most importantly, it also denotes a certain *style*. As broad and generic it may be - even considering the range of artists from the 70s alone - there can be rules (which of course depend on opinions, not facts) which determine that one virtuosic/innovative artist is prog, and the other one isn't.

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Posted: December 08 2008 at 05:53

It seems I aint gonna win this one. Hey npjnpj - of course Tori Amos should be here but of course her music is too main stream and really uncomplicated. LOL

Dean - when someone tells me that Mozart aint prog then I just know that I have no chance of winning.

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Posted: December 08 2008 at 03:56

Listened to them a few times, but found their output pretty bland and formulaic (no idea what that means, sounds great though).

Seriously, reminded me of hair metal, undestinguishable from a lot other bands. The drumming is attrociously lame, and that from the brilliant drummer who used to be in Mekong Delta.

Anyway, my application for Tori Amos also went unheeded, so I'm going to go off in a huff now for at least 30 sophomores.

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Posted: December 08 2008 at 03:55

slaver wrote:

Guys - Malmsteens next on my list of Championing good Prog music.

This isn't the Good Music Archives - Malmsteen does not play Progressive Rock. Feel free to discuss him and talk about the blinding speed of his sweep-picking and his technical prowess to your hearts content in one of the already open threads about him:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43632

- but please do not annoy people further by suggesting him for inclusion in the Archives. That subject has been done to death...

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=287

slaver wrote:

I would be happy to see Strat under Prog Related here.

Okay - here's the deal...

Only Admins can approve bands for Prog Related and only Special Collaborator's can propose bands to the Admins for Prog Related.

So, your task is not to convince the general population with wild and unsubstantiated claims but to find an Special Collaborator willing to support your case using valid musical reasons.

Only then can Stratovarius be considered for Prog Related.

slaver wrote:

Tell me do they have more in common with Mozart or with The Rolling Stones?

That is not relevant - neither are Prog and neither are in the Archive.

If you are dead-set on adding bands to the archive we are always open to suggestions, but new or unknown bands please - mainstream or already popular artists will have either been suggested dozens of times and rejected already or are simply not relevant.

What?

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Posted: December 08 2008 at 01:43

Guys - Malmsteens next on my list of Championing good Prog music.

I would be happy to see Strat under Prog Related here. Tell me do they have more in common with Mozart or with The Rolling Stones?

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Posted: December 07 2008 at 18:25

On top of that Teo, we add Stravinsky, cos he was prog and all that.

And 50 Cent.
He's down with the prog yo.

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Posted: December 07 2008 at 17:50

Ok.... Let's just say that Korn will go to exp/metal, Limp Biskit to extreme/tech and Stratovarius to prog-metal, ok? That way we please are members... and we finally can start welcoming artists like Rolling Stones, Shakira (both mentioned here), plus others like Kylie Minogue (my favorite female artist, not for her music so much), Mayhem, (I like them, that's enough), Meat Loaf (Ivan and others like him, that's enough), The Presidents of the United States of America (they have an important name, that's enough), Hombres G (believe me, that's enough), El General (his lyrics are enough) and many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many more.......

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Posted: December 07 2008 at 16:58

slaver wrote:

Rushfan 4 - Thank you. Hi Mr Progfreak - isn't the very basis of prog music the fact that it is more complex than mainstream pop music.

Not necessarily accurate Slaver, I'm sure you heard Meatloaf, Jim Steinman's music for Meat is far more complex than many Prog bands and he's a Pop/Metalish/ Balladesque/ Rock artist, Yngwee Malmsteed music and solos are far more elaborate that many prog Metal bands, but complexitry alone means nothing

slaver wrote:

Aren't we proud of the fact that a man like John Petrucci can play his instrument in a way that no pop musician can. Why do we call it instrument w**king when a musician proves what he is capable of?

I try to avoid any DT thread, but if I have to be honest, John Petrucci's abbility to play faster than many, means absolutely nothing to me, I stay 1,000 times with Steve Hackett and Steve Howe rather than Petrucci's style, which I find extremely complex but empty for me.

slaver wrote:

Isn't that what makes us different from the "pop" crowd. I say again, I can play each and every Metallica track on my guitar note for note. I cannot play a lot of Stratovarius's music because I'm not good enough.

Again, complexity means nothing, sometimes making it simpler is what a song needs to be a masterpiece, I'd stay with Firth of Fifth guitar section rather than with everything Petrucci did.during all his career.

The fact that you can play the music of one artist and not the music of another, only means you're incapable of playing the music of the second artist, nothing more.

I'm sure that you can't play Malmsteen's music as him, but still he is not a prog artist, your playing abbilities, great or small, are not a valid argument of Progressivenes..

slaver wrote:

They have differing beat structures throughout their tracks, they use a lot of Symphonic instrumentation. The keyboard and guitar work within Stratovarius at times borders on stunning. A number of their tracks are long and multi - layered. Again please do me a favor and listen to them.

At last a valid argument, structure is a key point, not that i'm saying Stratiovarius should be here, because I'm unfamiliar with their music, but the argument seems coherent.

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 07 2008 at 17:30

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Posted: December 07 2008 at 14:20

You right babout Blondie but I could mention so many others of the same ilk!!!

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Posted: December 07 2008 at 14:14

slaver wrote:

We're talking musically here!!!! They both come from Sweden and that means what???? Blondie and Pink Floyd vector from the same landmass - so do Black Sabbath!! Listen to Strat ... then comment.

Irony, humor, jokes...

By the way, Blondie is a band from New York, not York. They're hardly from the same landmass than Pink and Black.
Plus, I just remembered Stratovarius was finnish. My bad.