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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Maybe M@X should place a limit of 50 reviews to make the top 100 while albums sort themselves out.
 
I think that's a great idea. IMO, an album has no business in the top 100 if it hasn't even reached a broad audience.
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I think this album (Tick Tock) deserves to be listened to...I agree that the 10th position in the all time list is a bit high, but it's great music and if this position (only temporary for sure) helps more people to listen to this great album, than that's fine by me...Gazpacho makes great music and it's good to see it promoted...
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Isn't it obvious that there's a fanboy or two (or a record label) creating all those 5-star reviews?
 
Look at how many other ratings and reviews those 5-star reviewers have.  Only one of them- russelk- isn't suspicious.
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I very much like the music these guys play but what I like more is that love them or hate them, this is the kind of thread that every band wishes for. You just can't pay for this kind of promotion/advertising. Big smile
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Originally posted by sigod sigod wrote:

I very much like the music these guys play but what I like more is that love them or hate them, this is the kind of thread that every band wishes for. You just can't pay for this kind of promotion/advertising. Big smile
 
Actually, I think you can.
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Originally posted by Gorgo Ourgon Gorgo Ourgon wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Maybe M@X should place a limit of 50 reviews to make the top 100 while albums sort themselves out.
 
I think that's a great idea. IMO, an album has no business in the top 100 if it hasn't even reached a broad audience.


Or maybe a limit of 10 collaborator reviews. If 50 ratings without reviews are all it takes, people could create as many accounts and make that happen. Yes, they don't have a life!Tongue
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Originally posted by thornw thornw wrote:

Isn't it obvious that there's a fanboy or two (or a record label) creating all those 5-star reviews?
 
Look at how many other ratings and reviews those 5-star reviewers have.  Only one of them- russelk- isn't suspicious.
 
It's also obvious that you've just registered for sharing this marvellous opinion.
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Does that make the point any less valid?
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Originally posted by thornw thornw wrote:

Isn't it obvious that there's a fanboy or two (or a record label) creating all those 5-star reviews?
 
Look at how many other ratings and reviews those 5-star reviewers have.  Only one of them- russelk- isn't suspicious.
I have investigated this allegation and found no case to answer. This is neither fanboy-ism, ratings rigging nor abuse.
 
All the reviews and ratings are from unique IP addresses - no two IP addresses share the same ISP - only four share the same country and there is no regional geographical correlation in those either.
 
Taking the vote breakdown by country I discovered that the 33 votes cast come from 22 different countries:
 
Argentina X 2
Australia    
Belarus    
Bulgaria X 2
Chile    
Czech Republic    
Denmark    
Germany    
Greece    
Hungary    
Italy X 2
Moldova
Netherlands X 2
New Zealand    
Norway    
Poland X 2
Russian Federation    
Spain X 2
Spain    
Turkey    
United Kingdom X 4
United States X 2
My conclusion from this is that Gazpacho has achieved the prog holy grail - universal aclaim.
 
More power to them I say Clap


Edited by Dean - April 21 2009 at 11:40
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Really? Where were the ones who actually *reviewed* the album?
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Denmark, Spain, Poland, New Zealand, UK, UK Stern Smile
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Well, I guess I could have just checked for myself.  Apparently they each say they're from different countries, so maybe they are real.  I honestly don't know.  But it sure is suspicious, that's all I'm saying.
 
70 percent of the reviews are from people who have only reviewed 1-4 albums.  Compare that to any other album!
 
No, I can't PROVE the ratings aren't real, but neither can anyone else really prove they are.  Let's face it, stuff like this has happened on Progarchives before, and I wouldn't be surprised if labels and fanboys have found a way to circumvent whatever policing there may be.
 
In the end, it's up to regular old users to not get swept up in hype.  But it really seems like many users on Progarchives are easily duped....
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Edited by thornw - April 21 2009 at 12:16
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2009 at 12:24
@Dean:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)

Good news is: most Tor proxies can be identified by IP address. Maybe you can pass this along to M@x ... anonymous access to PA should be possible, but IMO not for submitting ratings!
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2009 at 13:42
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

@Dean:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)

Good news is: most Tor proxies can be identified by IP address. Maybe you can pass this along to M@x ... anonymous access to PA should be possible, but IMO not for submitting ratings!
Will do - thanks Mike.
 
 
 
...of course any proxy can be tricked into reveailing it's true IP, no one can be 100% anonymous since the end-points are fixed.
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Points: 67 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2009 at 13:44
Originally posted by thornw thornw wrote:

Isn't it obvious that there's a fanboy or two (or a record label) creating all those 5-star reviews?
 
Look at how many other ratings and reviews those 5-star reviewers have.  Only one of them- russelk- isn't suspicious.
 
Hello, suspicious here! Wink
 
I have seen the band 3 times live and they are superb.
 
Maybe you should listen to the album and give it a rating?
yes this was my first review and i did submit a full review but only after submitting a 5* rating (too late to go back, but i did submit my review via the feedback link.......maybe it will be posted?)
 
A fanboy? No, just a Gazpacho fan Smile 
 
 


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Not sure i like the Groupie tag LOL
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Points: 593 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2009 at 13:47
This thread turned to be interesting:) I have thought it could be an easy promotion among proggers, by achieving such respectable position here. Because there are lot such reviews from unknown one-shot writers. It would be interesting to find out the proxy IP adresses of these obscure reviewers, it will prove or disprove it. 


Edited by stewe - April 21 2009 at 13:49


<a href="http://steveer.ic.cz" rel="nofollow"
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Originally posted by demolition man demolition man wrote:

Originally posted by thornw thornw wrote:

Isn't it obvious that there's a fanboy or two (or a record label) creating all those 5-star reviews?
 
Look at how many other ratings and reviews those 5-star reviewers have.  Only one of them- russelk- isn't suspicious.
 
Hello, suspicious here! Wink
 
I have seen the band 3 times live and they are superb.
 
Maybe you should listen to the album and give it a rating?
yes this was my first review and i did submit a full review but only after submitting a 5* rating (too late to go back, but i did submit my review via the feedback link.......maybe it will be posted?)
 
A fanboy? No, just a Gazpacho fan Smile 
 
 
 
Hi! Contact an admin, and he will give your review to your rating if you send it him!
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Points: 10 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2009 at 13:58

I did listen to some stuff from "Night" a few years ago and was utterly unimpressed.  Nothing stood out as bad, but nothing stood out as good.  It was well-produced though.

Thing is, I don't want to reward fanboyism/hype/overly-positive reviews by checking them out again.  That's what all these 5-star reviews achieve... everybody wants to see what the big deal is. 
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