hip hop

Needs more intelligence, Prefuse is a good example. Another good example (IMO) is The Roots, they play all their own instruments, which is big time respect for me, and who could forget the latest release from OutKast. Andre 3000 is about as musically savvy as anyone out there. Additionally, they just have a more intelligent sound than more popular hip-hoppery such as 50 cent and Eminem (even though he is funny as hell, and tends to be more emotionally involved with his music)

edit: as much as I don't want to say anything....I think the poll question is a bit unfair. I think it is already a legitimate art form, whether or not you enjoy listening to hip-hop seems to be another story.

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mwb498 wrote: After you post your choice (if you should be so inclined), please check out prefuse 73.  I believe that he is taking hip hop to a similar level as progressive rock.

hip-hop... progressive rock?

I can't blend these two thoughts into one. And at the moment a lot of thoughts can be blended into one.

Pale Fire wrote: Needs more intelligence, Prefuse is a good example. Another good example (IMO) is The Roots, they play all their own instruments, which is big time respect for me, and who could forget the latest release from OutKast. Andre 3000 is about as musically savvy as anyone out there. Additionally, they just have a more intelligent sound than more popular hip-hoppery such as 50 cent and Eminem (even though he is funny as hell, and tends to be more emotionally involved with his music) edit: as much as I don't want to say anything....I think the poll question is a bit unfair. I think it is already a legitimate art form, whether or not you enjoy listening to hip-hop seems to be another story.

Hear, hear. You could almost say Andre 3000 is the Frank Zappa of hip-hop. The Roots are ok too.

Anyone who honestly thinks that hip hop has no potential to become art obviously hasnt heard any hip hop besides 50 cent and lloyd banks.. there's more to the genre than whats played on MTV!! My vote is yes of course, theres many great rappers who are progressing the genre and are undoubtedly making art. 

A tribe called quest, KMD, Madvillian, mf doom, people under the stairs, prefuse 73 are all great examples of art in hip hop.

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Well French rap such as MC Solaar , Manau have intelligent texts , not aggressive music (sometimes actually very good) and are definitely an artistic form of expression!

I think that Eminem would have better consideration had he non-mysoginic texts, because from what I heard (not much I must agree) it does not sound half-bad!

I actually loved Run DMC/Aerosmith collasboration back in the mid-80's. NWA (Niggers With Attitude - hated that names since that attitude is half their problems) had political reasons but on the artistic side.... The offshoots from them are better!

I also rememcer Ice Cube  being intelligent in his movie roles in Ken Singleton's movie (Boyz'n The Hood and so)

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"Yes, music does not gain or lose value based on genre."

Check out Atmosphere, Immortal Technique, K-Os. There is some really good rap out there, just have an open mind.

God knows I've tried. I spent most of the 90s trying to be hip to hop but in the end I just gave up.

Occasionally I hear a song I like (the comments about Outkast were about right - bu then I'm a major Prince fan so Andre 3000's fixation with the Purple one get my vote anyway) but that's about it - the occasional song. I'm just not interested enough in the music to go there.

Most of it just annoys the hell out of me. I'm old and old fashioned i'm afraid...

Hangedman wrote: Man there is a LOT of teenagers or "young adults" here, im only 18 myself

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My only friend who listens to a bit of prog also listens to hip hop, but hardly anyone else I do listens to either. Well I got my jazz liking friend to listen to King Crimson and a couple of my friends who I was at school with listen to some prog metal but that's basically it.

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Hip-hop? Hell no! If you mean 50 cent and those ksuckers with their money, their cars and their girls, they are absolutely no musical there. No art. No music. Only a way to make money.

Rap? Maybe... Rap means Rhytmes And Poetry, and every poetry is a kind of art. The problem is that it almost doesn't exist anymore. I do not like it though, but it seem to be that it is a art form.