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    Posted: March 19 2012 at 14:00

Well they're actually two issues. One is how to deal with aggression. Medical tools might be just as useful as social or cognitive ones.

In terms of actual attitudes and thought patterns, that's cultural / social / cognitive.

 

As I tell people in the office when I'm treating depression or other similar issues, it's better to access all available tools and use them for what they're best suited, rather than just using one tool and assume it does everything.
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Originally posted by The T

^Ok, but, is it desirable? Even if such a thing existed. 

EDIT: I'm talking about the supposed treatment itself, not the reduction of racism by normal social processes which we all probably agree is desirable. 

I assume you're still banging on about explicit racism, (otherwise it's a non-question)... are any behaviour modification drugs desirable? ... and the only answer to that would be "no, of course they aren't". Also, this isn't a treatment, supposed or otherwise, nor is it a proposed one, it is simply the results of a study on 18 people (volunteers). Stop extrapolating based upon a poorly written article in a dumb right-wing British newspaper.


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Dean, read my response on the previous page.
 
The issues raised are much larger than a single study or the over generalized mainstream article produced about it.
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And you will find that even to my apparent nonsense question a lot of people would answer "yes".
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I would answer that yes it's desirable to do lots of things without pharmaceuticals.
 
A) It's not always possible
B) Sometimes it's better to use both medical AND non-medical interventions
 
If by giving a pill to some dumbarse, I could keep him from harming someone of another race heck ya I'd do it. Yes I'd PREFER to talk sense to him, but that isn't always possible. Again, to the real people I have in my practice who have issues with aggression, we usually are hitting both sides.
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^Provided those patients have gone to see you voluntarily and have accepted treatment in the same way, of course I agree. Maybe if some dumb idiot hurts somebody then we could start talking about the need for not-so-voluntary treatment with medication (still not a fan of this anyway). My concern is always with forced treatment. "Oh that guy yelled racist insults in the stadium the other day. Give him the pill!".
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Originally posted by The T

And you will find that even to my apparent nonsense question a lot of people would answer "yes".
Never said it was a nonsense question, I said (if you are referring to implicit racial bias) it is a non-question. "Curing" implicit racial bias is pointless and meaningless - implicit racial bias is not racism.
 
Of course a lot of people will say "yes" to drugs to cure racism, just as a lot of people would still prescribe chemical castration for homosexuals.


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Cure is different than treat.

Involuntary medication is a sticky wicket. I only force meds on Marillion fans.
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...hence "curing" in quotes...


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I'm still trying to figure out what is the benefit of putting people with "implictit'" racism on drugs.  Explicit racists are the damned problem.  I'd be more than happy to put them on stuff that would make them totally catatonic. 
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Originally posted by Negoba

Cure is different than treat.

Involuntary medication is a sticky wicket. I only force meds on Marillion fans.
You're one step away from self-force-medicating then, Peter Gabriel fan
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast

I'm still trying to figure out what is the benefit of putting people with "implictit'" racism on drugs.  Explicit racists are the damned problem.  I'd be more than happy to put them on stuff that would make them totally catatonic. 
I'm quite sure you would do that with everybody that thinks somewhat different to you Slart
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Another one of the typical nice stories about the catholic church. They seemed to have outdone themselves that time
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast

I'm still trying to figure out what is the benefit of putting people with "implictit'" racism on drugs.  Explicit racists are the damned problem.  I'd be more than happy to put them on stuff that would make them totally catatonic. 

As you well know the category "drugs" contains a huge variety of chemicals. If giving someone something as mild as a cup of coffee's worth of caffeine would decrease their chance of being violent, you have to consider it.
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Originally posted by The T

Originally posted by Negoba

Cure is different than treat.

Involuntary medication is a sticky wicket. I only force meds on Marillion fans.
You're one step away from self-force-medicating then, Peter Gabriel fan


Beside the fact that I've been there done that...

Pretending to be Peter Gabriel and the real thing...not the same.
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Originally posted by Negoba

Originally posted by Slartibartfast

I'm still trying to figure out what is the benefit of putting people with "implictit'" racism on drugs.  Explicit racists are the damned problem.  I'd be more than happy to put them on stuff that would make them totally catatonic. 

As you well know the category "drugs" contains a huge variety of chemicals. If giving someone something as mild as a cup of coffee's worth of caffeine would decrease their chance of being violent, you have to consider it.

As you may well know we have a big crystal meth problem in this country.  I have my doubts that caffeine is the solution.
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I'd like the idea of anti-racism pills colouring them black.
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Weak evidence for existence of frozen water on Mercury
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Only number 15?  We need to try harder:
Can Atlanta stress you out? Oh, yes


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Only number 15?  We need to try harder:
Can Atlanta stress you out? Oh, yes
Oh but Florida takes the cake it seems. It makes sense. 
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