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    Posted: March 10 2013 at 06:37
Originally posted by King of Loss


Originally posted by rushfan4



http://news.yahoo.com/noma-worlds-best-restaurant-sorry-diners-ill-163649641.html  Oops. 

Look at that price too!Confused



Denmark is a tiny country, and we tend to idolise and worship anything that manages to breach through our borders and create a stir.
Most people I know wouldn't be caught dead in a place like Noma, because the principle of paying so much money for a meal, and then having to stop by a hotdog vender on your way home, is just beyond insane. There is a snobbish aura revolving it too, and as much hard work the cooks and all from Noma have put into the place, I still feel cold whenever I see a clip from their kitchen.
The day you start cooking with pliers and pipettes, you need to sit down and reconsider your life methinks...
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen

Originally posted by King of Loss


Originally posted by rushfan4



http://news.yahoo.com/noma-worlds-best-restaurant-sorry-diners-ill-163649641.html  Oops. 

Look at that price too!Confused



Denmark is a tiny country, and we tend to idolise and worship anything that manages to breach through our borders and create a stir.
Most people I know wouldn't be caught dead in a place like Noma, because the principle of paying so much money for a meal, and then having to stop by a hotdog vender on your way home, is just beyond insane. There is a snobbish aura revolving it too, and as much hard work the cooks and all from Noma have put into the place, I still feel cold whenever I see a clip from their kitchen.
The day you start cooking with pliers and pipettes, you need to sit down and reconsider your life methinks...
Noma's dishes are art rather than food, which is probably why their "recipe books" are published by porn-art publishers Phaidon who also publish HR Gieger's art-books.
 
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Yeah I know Dean, and I must admit that some of those dishes look absolutely beautiful. Heck, I also really like Heston's food programs, even if I'd never pay that much for a meal.

Maybe it's the way I was brought up, but to me personally, I find it preposterous and slightly bad taste to use so many resources and so much hard work on something only a few wealthy people will ever have the benefit of tasting. 
And how much of the world's population is suffering from hunger?(Don't answer that - and yes that doesn't really have anything to do with anything - yet there's something there that irritates the hell out of me)
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 The food could be very good, but as an example recently Queen Elizabeth II had diarrhea
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Originally posted by Blacksword

North Korea is demanding 'an apology' from South Korea for what it calls an 'open declaration of war' This comes just days after NK tore up the 'non aggression' pacts with the south, and threatened to nuke the US..

RT article

It seems their new boy leader is turning out to be an even bigger tw&t than his father.

I always thought that Korea is most likely scenario for a nuclear war than the middle East

Iván


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 The food could be very good, but as an example recently Queen Elizabeth II had diarrhea

Oh, but Her Maj doesn't have this low-class, awful "diarrhea". She just had a minor abdominal discomfort. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote CPicard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2013 at 17:02
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

Originally posted by Blacksword

North Korea is demanding 'an apology' from South Korea for what it calls an 'open declaration of war' This comes just days after NK tore up the 'non aggression' pacts with the south, and threatened to nuke the US..

RT article

It seems their new boy leader is turning out to be an even bigger tw&t than his father.

I always thought that Korea is most likely scenario for a nuclear war than the middle East

Iván


Not sure: Korea seems to depend on China's support, and I don't think China wants its "protégé" to go nuclear berserk. After all, the radioactive fallouts would wander on China's territory (not to talk about China's will to use rather soft power than military power to develop its coming supremacy).
But, if Korea, despite of all, ever started a nuclear war, I wouldn't be surprised to see retaliation coming from China.

I'm still "betting" on Iran to launch nuclear attacks... if they had this weapon. But I also have an eye on the Pakistan/India relationship: these two countries are nuclear powers for nearly 15 years now and they have been in a sort of cold war for 55 years.
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But he committed the unpardonable sin of taking the management of oil to the U.S., to redistribute income to the poorest sectors, provide education, health, employment, housing and the audacity to win 14 free, democratic and without fraud.
This makes it a "terrible dictator" for some.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen

Yeah I know Dean, and I must admit that some of those dishes look absolutely beautiful. Heck, I also really like Heston's food programs, even if I'd never pay that much for a meal.

I'd never pay that for a meal myself either but I was once invited to the Belgian top restaurant Het Hof Van Cleve, 3-Michelin stars and ranked 14th best in the world a couple of years ago and also oriented to such art-kitchen, and although I also dislike the exagerated wastes of the very wealthy I have to admit that it was an amazing experience far beyond what I had expected.

http://www.hofvancleve.com/

We ate a degustation menu which with some extras finally costed something like 300 euro per person which I find disgusting but it is true that this kind of kitchen has nothing to do with normal cooking and is instead a form of art affecting your senses and your brain in ways which I had not expected. Nothing to do with normal eating and drinking (each dish is served with its matching drink and its amazing how they really match each other). Often it's not so much about 'how good the taste is' (which was in any case very good) but about the sensations that the combination of tastes and smells can create in your senses and your brain.

And for sure we did not have to go afterwards to the hot-dog hut, although each portion was very small they bring so many (I think the complete dinner lasted something like 3 hours) that we could barely finish it all.

As offensive as the price is, I have to admit that it was a unique and revealing experience. Some people spend that money to go see a soccer match, so when you think of that it's not as obscene as it first seems.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Blacksword Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2013 at 08:49
Originally posted by CPicard


Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M



Originally posted by Blacksword

North Korea is demanding 'an apology' from South Korea for what it calls an 'open declaration of war' This comes just days after NK tore up the 'non aggression' pacts with the south, and threatened to nuke the US..

RT article

It seems their new boy leader is turning out to be an even bigger tw&t than his father.

I always thought that Korea is most likely scenario for a nuclear war than the middle East
Iván

Not sure: Korea seems to depend on China's support, and I don't think China wants its "protégé" to go nuclear berserk. After all, the radioactive fallouts would wander on China's territory (not to talk about China's will to use rather soft power than military power to develop its coming supremacy).But, if Korea, despite of all, ever started a nuclear war, I wouldn't be surprised to see retaliation coming from China.I'm still "betting" on Iran to launch nuclear attacks... if they had this weapon. But I also have an eye on the Pakistan/India relationship: these two countries are nuclear powers for nearly 15 years now and they have been in a sort of cold war for 55 years.


I guess there are numerous 'hotspots' where things could go badly wrong, but I still think the biggest powder keg is the Middle East. The future for North Korea, I think, looks pretty bleak. I suspect at some point there will be war between north and south, but even if the US help the south I'm inclined to think China is not going to risk world war by backing up the north. North Korea is not as important to China to as Africa and the Middle East, in economic terms. It would be over pretty quick. Regionally the consequences would be pretty bad. There would be a huge humanitarian refugee crisis as the north collapses, but ultimately it would not lead to global conflict imo.

The Middle East however is a differet story. It's only a matter of time before we commit actual forces to Syria. This will be our way in to deal with Iran, but that will be very messy. How that will play out will depend on to what extent Russia and China are impacted by our actions, and whether or not they choose to simply sit back, watch the west bomb their Arab allies and economic partners and then belp themselbes to the spoils. Could be interesting times ahead.
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Originally posted by CPicard

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

Originally posted by Blacksword

North Korea is demanding 'an apology' from South Korea for what it calls an 'open declaration of war' This comes just days after NK tore up the 'non aggression' pacts with the south, and threatened to nuke the US..

RT article

It seems their new boy leader is turning out to be an even bigger tw&t than his father.

I always thought that Korea is most likely scenario for a nuclear war than the middle East

Iván


Not sure: Korea seems to depend on China's support, and I don't think China wants its "protégé" to go nuclear berserk. After all, the radioactive fallouts would wander on China's territory (not to talk about China's will to use rather soft power than military power to develop its coming supremacy).
But, if Korea, despite of all, ever started a nuclear war, I wouldn't be surprised to see retaliation coming from China.

I'm still "betting" on Iran to launch nuclear attacks... if they had this weapon. But I also have an eye on the Pakistan/India relationship: these two countries are nuclear powers for nearly 15 years now and they have been in a sort of cold war for 55 years.


China doesn't want the regime to collapse because there would be millions of poor refugees that would flood across the border into the Northeastern part of the country. Also, they don't want to intervene in another Korean War, which the country lost 500,000 soldiers and billions of dollars. (Which turned Korea into a wasteland, even though it was much less harmful than the devastation they had to suffer under Japanese colonization) North Korea is not a Chinese protege, cause China doesn't have so much control over the country, only they could cut off food and fuel supplies to the country. That wouldn't be good for China, cause they don't want a bunch of starving, poor North Koreans to continue to flee over the border. (There's already a serious North Korean drug trafficking problem in Northeastern China.)

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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

Originally posted by Blacksword

North Korea is demanding 'an apology' from South Korea for what it calls an 'open declaration of war' This comes just days after NK tore up the 'non aggression' pacts with the south, and threatened to nuke the US..

RT article

It seems their new boy leader is turning out to be an even bigger tw&t than his father.

I always thought that Korea is most likely scenario for a nuclear war than the middle East

Iván


The North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and his military basically are using the nuclear card to continue to rally support for their regime. I mean, have you seen how most of the population lives in that country? (Not counting the urban elites in Pyongyang and other cities).

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Had the war continued, does anyone think the South could have prevailed with more time?  Or would it simply have escalated into a full blown conflict with the Chinese? 


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Had the war continued, does anyone think the South could have prevailed with more time?  Or would it simply have escalated into a full blown conflict with the Chinese? 


I don't think the US wanted another world war with the Soviet Union after the war with Japan and Germany had ended.

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So it def would have spread?   It was not a conflict that could have been both won and contained to Korea?

I guess that's what I suspected but it's been decades since I read anything about this war. 


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So it def would have spread?   It was not a conflict that could have been both won and contained to Korea?

I guess that's what I suspected but it's been decades since I read anything about this war. 


MacArthur wanted to attack China, but Truman blocked him. I don't think you understand how much the Korean War actually united a majority of the masses in China against the US. I think the Korean War was a blessing for the Chinese Communists to have prevented massive rebellions in Kuomintang loyal regions in the Southern parts of the country (which it had always been very strong).

The Soviet Union would had intervened, aka Western Europe would have gotten invaded. Along with US at war with China. This war would most likely have been 5 times worse than the war that was just finished just 8 years prior.


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Originally posted by Finnforest

Had the war continued, does anyone think the South could have prevailed with more time?  Or would it simply have escalated into a full blown conflict with the Chinese? 

We were in a sort of stalemate situation with the Chinese anyway - they entered the scene when we had pushed the Koreans all the way to the Yalu river.  After that we retreated to the 38th parallel and accomplished little.  With more time either the stalemate would have continued (to no one's benefit, obviously) or if we had really gotten more aggressive the Soviets might have intervened directly.
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MacArthur wanted to attack China, but Truman blocked him. I don't think you understand how much the Korean War actually united a majority of the masses in China against the US. I think the Korean War was a blessing for the Chinese Communists to have prevented massive rebellions in Kuomintang loyal regions in the Southern parts of the country (which it had always been very strong).

The Soviet Union would had intervened, aka Western Europe would have gotten invaded. Along with US at war with China. This war would most likely have been 5 times worse than the war that was just finished just 8 years prior.

Hate to say it, but Truman just was no match for Uncle Joe in the game of chicken (and Truman's allies in the Korea War were at times more of a liability than an asset ... no names named Tongue). 

The Soviet Union had no deployable nukes at its disposal until 1952, and no strategic bombers to deliver them until even later. The pirate knockoffs of the B-29, which they did have, lacked both range and payload to hit the US mainland. 

Uncle Joe might have been a maniac, but he wasn't yer suicidal idealist. He had nothing to gain from "invading Europe", and the risk would have been too great (just think of all those B-36 Pacemakers loitering 8 miles up in the sky, and the 50+ million of enslaved Eastern Europeans, waiting fora chance to rebel against the Soviet rule). 


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Originally posted by Argonaught

Originally posted by King of Loss

 

MacArthur wanted to attack China, but Truman blocked him. I don't think you understand how much the Korean War actually united a majority of the masses in China against the US. I think the Korean War was a blessing for the Chinese Communists to have prevented massive rebellions in Kuomintang loyal regions in the Southern parts of the country (which it had always been very strong).

The Soviet Union would had intervened, aka Western Europe would have gotten invaded. Along with US at war with China. This war would most likely have been 5 times worse than the war that was just finished just 8 years prior.

Hate to say it, but Truman just was no match for Uncle Joe in the game of chicken (and Truman's allies in the Korea War were at times more of a liability than an asset ... no names named Tongue). 

The Soviet Union had no deployable nukes at its disposal until 1952, and no strategic bombers to deliver them until even later. The pirate knockoffs of the B-29, which they did have, lacked both range and payload to hit the US mainland. 

Uncle Joe might have been a maniac, but he wasn't yer suicidal idealist. He had nothing to gain from "invading Europe", and the risk would have been too great (just think of all those B-36 Pacemakers loitering 8 miles up in the sky, and the 50+ million of enslaved Eastern Europeans, waiting fora chance to rebel against the Soviet rule). 


Do you think he would have hesitated to kill those Eastern Europeans?Confused Plus, the death toll to a war with the Soviets would be catastrophic and you really think Stalin would not have hesitated to attack a weakened Western Europe with their army? The United States really didn't have much to gain by attacking China either, because a weak Chinese regime is what they wanted. (AKA Mao, not Chiang)  (Funny thing nowadays the US funds and supports Maoists, a bunch of suicidal religious nutters, a feudal monk and a bunch of Islamo-fascists)


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