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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 20:19
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:



Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Believe it or not, N° 2 has been the entrance for some bands like:

  1. Iron Maiden

  2. STYX

  3. Roxy Music

People knew them as related to Prog, some even considered them full Prog bands (I don't).


My original definition was 1 or 2 or 3, but it was changed (not fopr me), even when I agree 100% with the change, because PA wa getting too open.

 

I already gave my opinion, now it's in hands of the Adms.

 

Iván

I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around the concept that any of those were influential to the development of prog.  Big Roxy Music fan BTW.  The other two I don't care to get to know any better than I already do.  Not a slam, mind you.




You're right Slarti, a lot of bands in PR don't fit all three criteria, these are just guidelines, but some bands get in for other reasons. I didn't vote on any PR bands except the last two additions (John Cale and another band I have forgotten), so I'm not sure on the reasoning on some of the bands we have in PR.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 20:26
I'm still wondering if Stiffenson needs a hug ...
Steffie boy, opinion is all that we got here. If you feel yours is the only one worth anything, then please start your own site where you can decide everything to your heart's desire.
Name any collab here, and all could name one or more bands that they disagreed with (in some cases vehemently).

But that's why each opinion is heard out. based on its' validity and eventually working on a majority vote for or against. Even , in some cases, working towards a consensus amongst all involved, if possible.

Acting like a spoiled brat only weakens your arguement. A good heated discussion is one thing. Insulting all or any that don't agree with you just makes the other side look better.

Keep it up. Your opinions are gaining their just value. Or , you could learn something from Slartibartfast's approach. Or, you might not be able to.

Call Danzig ... he needs a hug as badly as you.,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 20:26
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:


You're right Slarti, a lot of bands in PR don't fit all three criteria, these are just guidelines, but some bands get in for other reasons. I didn't vote on any PR bands except the last two additions (John Cale and another band I have forgotten), so I'm not sure on the reasoning on some of the bands we have in PR.

We're a bit of mess sometimes and places, but it's still fun. Big smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 20:37
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:


I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around the concept that any of those were influential to the development of prog.  Big Roxy Music fan BTW.  The other two I don't care to get to know any better than I already do.  Not a slam, mind you.
 
Yes Starti, that's taste,. but if you go to ANY Propg site, the three bands are there, this means being widely accepted.
 
I remember a guy pushing for an artist who released a salsa album, saying he was added in Prog-Not-Frog, that's not widely accepted, because that is only oe site, and dedicated to illegal downloads.
 
But if a band can be found in two of this sires:
  1. Progressive Ears
  2. GEPR
  3. Progressor
  4. Proggnosis

You can say it's widely accepted.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 21:22
I have, and love the LP "The man Who Saved The World". I can see an argument for this being a Prog Related album. But this is pre-"Hunky Dory" David Bowie. Before all the effected glam rock/pop. One Progish album does not justify inclusion, if the present guidelines are being followed (IMHP). Heroes??? Yes, there are one or two 'progish' tracks, but if this is a Prog Rock Album, then I'm a small green furry creature from Alpha Centauri (in the days when they were  'real' small green furry creatures from alpha centauri).

BUT I think everything that has been said here has proved my point. Once you allow such broad categorisation of Progressive Rock, you open a Pandora's Box of worms (wow! now that's some Mixed Metaphore if I ever wrote one!!!). You can't argue that the Beatles are Prog Relalated (there I go! laughing my head off again) and then say that Stewart and Gaskin are not. It's just a matter or your opinion. You let one in you have to let the other in, otherwise its all hypocracy (not democracy).

As for the guy that lectured me about "That's not the way we do thingsI" If you check this thread carefully, you will find that one of the admin guys hinted that something might get done about this IF somebody wrote a Bio. As "Stackridge" helped set up a web page for S&G (I forget which one ...there are so bloody many) I thought he would be the best guy for the job.

And as for the guy/girl/small green creature from Alpha Centauri, who said he/she/it thinks I need a hug!
YES...You bet I need a zarking Hug...you have no idea!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2009 at 04:20
Notwithstanding the speculation vis a vis the current location and species identification of both your terrestrial self and others on the forum, it transpires that your recorded whereabouts serves as an uncanny anagram of your eventual destination i.e. "on to Rot'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2009 at 07:28
Hey Brian, first of all we don't have the Beatles in prog-related, they are in proto-prog. Secondly, I can't think of any other band that was influencing the early prog-rockers more than the Beatles. I seriously doubt that GS had one/thousandth the influence on prog that the Beatles had.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2009 at 16:21
* munch munch *
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2009 at 18:09
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

* munch munch *

Oi!...Leave that pear alone!

Is this what you want?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2009 at 18:44
ah but like Eden's apple, nothing good would come of that
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2009 at 08:36
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

* munch munch *

Oi!...Leave that pear alone!

Is this what you want?
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Hey, you ate the leaf off the stem. LOL
I think the Beatles are totally appropriate to proto, BTW.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2009 at 09:04
Originally posted by BRIAN STEFFENSEN BRIAN STEFFENSEN wrote:

I have, and love the LP "The man Who Saved The World". I can see an argument for this being a Prog Related album. But this is pre-"Hunky Dory" David Bowie. Before all the effected glam rock/pop. One Progish album does not justify inclusion, if the present guidelines are being followed (IMHP). Heroes??? Yes, there are one or two 'progish' tracks, but if this is a Prog Rock Album, then I'm a small green furry creature from Alpha Centauri (in the days when they were  'real' small green furry creatures from alpha centauri).

BUT I think everything that has been said here has proved my point. Once you allow such broad categorisation of Progressive Rock, you open a Pandora's Box of worms (wow! now that's some Mixed Metaphore if I ever wrote one!!!). You can't argue that the Beatles are Prog Relalated (there I go! laughing my head off again) and then say that Stewart and Gaskin are not. It's just a matter or your opinion. You let one in you have to let the other in, otherwise its all hypocracy (not democracy).

As for the guy that lectured me about "That's not the way we do thingsI" If you check this thread carefully, you will find that one of the admin guys hinted that something might get done about this IF somebody wrote a Bio. As "Stackridge" helped set up a web page for S&G (I forget which one ...there are so bloody many) I thought he would be the best guy for the job.

And as for the guy/girl/small green creature from Alpha Centauri, who said he/she/it thinks I need a hug!
YES...You bet I need a zarking Hug...you have no idea!
Bowie is here as prog-related, so we are not saying that all his albums are prog.
 
Even if The Beatles were prog-related, I don't see why that fact means "you have to let the other in".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2009 at 10:10
Didn't mean to stir up too much of a fuss...but I have enjoyed reading it. Smile
 
I am reminded of a similar debate on another blog, based on some cretin journalist from a large newspaper saying, "I don't like Prog but like Pink Floyd. Therefore Pink Floyd are not Prog".
 
Quite frankly I come to a website like this with open ears and always learn something new and listen to something unexpected. If I have pointed someone in the direction of Dave & Barbara's music then so be it. I am a fan not a salesman. I like lots of music and will help promote artists if I think they are not represented and their music fits the tag of Prog - whatever the sub-genre. 
 
**** just does quick check - crikey o'blimey. Stackridge are on here as Prog Folk. I did not expect that but am muchly pleased.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2009 at 11:51
Hey, the fun of this site is promoting artists you like and/or think should be added and you've probably poked around here enough to realize that we love to debate those kind of things.

v v v LOL


Edited by Slartibartfast - November 04 2009 at 05:43
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2009 at 21:08
slarti, you missed something - "the fun of this site is promoting artists you like" AND pummeling those you don't ...  Big smile
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