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Reed Lover
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 19:58 |
Abbath wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
it is cherished too much in the ridiculous Death Metal scene and criticized in the Prog Rock/Metal scene.
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"Cherished"? It's a mainstay. It's a required element.
Tell me why the scene is rediculous. Unless you can back up your absurd claims, don't say stupid things.
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So you dont think an adult barking down a microphone to music is ridiculous.
Stupid is as stupid does....
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King of Loss
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 20:25 |
Abbath wrote:
"Cherished"? It's a mainstay. It's a required element.
Tell me why the scene is rediculous. Unless you can back up your absurd claims, don't say stupid things.
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The scene is absolutely ridiculous you know why? Because I feel that in some bands like Obituary and Deicide, the growls are abused heavily. I know this because I have once owned their albums and I can tell you that its just absolutely f**king ridiculous. The people in the scene is also why. If you haven't payed attention before, during and after the concerts.
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FloydWright
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 22:26 |
So somehow, because SOME bands are ridiculous, ALL that use similar techniques deserve to be painted with the same brush? I don't think that's right.
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Abbath
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Joined: January 19 2005
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 00:03 |
King of Loss wrote:
Abbath wrote:
"Cherished"? It's a mainstay. It's a required element.
Tell me why the scene is rediculous. Unless you can back up your absurd claims, don't say stupid things.
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The scene is absolutely ridiculous you know why? Because I feel that
in some bands like Obituary and Deicide, the growls are abused heavily.
I know this because I have once owned their albums and I can tell you
that its just absolutely f**king ridiculous. The people in the scene is
also why. If you haven't payed attention before, during and after the
concerts. |
Abused? What do you want them to do? Sing in falsetto? Abused... that's like saying prog vocalists abuse melody...
Death metal is more than vocals. That stuff going on in the background is also a major component.
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Abbath
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 00:04 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Abbath wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
it is cherished too much in the ridiculous Death Metal scene and criticized in the Prog Rock/Metal scene.
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"Cherished"? It's a mainstay. It's a required element.
Tell me why the scene is rediculous. Unless you can back up your absurd claims, don't say stupid things.
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So you dont think an adult barking down a microphone to music is ridiculous.
Stupid is as stupid does.... |
That's so close minded, I won't even point out how unbelieveably stupid that post was.
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Entropia
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Joined: March 20 2005
Location: Canada
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 00:36 |
King of Loss wrote:
Entropia wrote:
Opeth are awesome....i used to hate the growling but try to imagine opeth's heaviest songs without growling. |
That would not sound very good. |
that's what i was saying
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Geee
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Joined: April 08 2005
Location: Malta
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 01:07 |
King of Loss wrote:
Entropia wrote:
Opeth are awesome....i used to hate the growling but try to imagine opeth's heaviest songs without growling. |
That would not sound very good. |
That was my point right from the beginning. I was just expressing how I like the music and dislike the growling. Just expressing an opinion on a forum that's it. I think I have that right, no?
Cheers
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"Just as a bell that has been rung cannot be "unrung", the annoying problem with the Truth is that, once you learn it, you can not "unlearn" it."
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Reed Lover
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Joined: July 16 2004
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 03:32 |
Abbath wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Abbath wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
it is cherished too much in the ridiculous Death Metal scene and criticized in the Prog Rock/Metal scene.
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"Cherished"? It's a mainstay. It's a required element.
Tell me why the scene is rediculous. Unless you can back up your absurd claims, don't say stupid things.
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So you dont think an adult barking down a microphone to music is ridiculous.
Stupid is as stupid does....
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That's so close minded, I won't even point out how unbelieveably stupid that post was.
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You are a teenager right?
I wont even point out how peer pressure affects your tastes,sheepboy!
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theBox
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Joined: April 29 2005
Location: Greece
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 05:23 |
Hi everyone!
I am new to this forum ( if that is of any interest).
Anyway, regarding the opeth issue, I am sure most of you will agree
that is progressive enough to be mentioned in this site. However I can
totally understand how the vocals can be irritating for some but
that is just an issue of aquired taste. I percieve the vocals as a way
to express emotions ( isn't this what music is all about?) and as such
I feel that if an artist wants to express feelings of complete and
utter rage or gloom or darkness etc, the growls are an ideal way. If
those are the kind of feelings you don't mind experiencing when
listening to music, then I don't see why growls can hurt you.
Don't get me wrong, i'd rather be listening to good ol' prog rock
over death metal, but it doesn't fell right to discard such a prolific
band as utter rubish.
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goose
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Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 09:53 |
Reed Lover wrote:
You are a teenager right?
I wont even point out how peer pressure affects your tastes,sheepboy!
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Are you under the impression that death metal is a hip part of teenage culture? At college I've seen maybe three people with any sort of extreme metal clothing on, and maybe a few more power metal, and they're all geeks!
No one seems to have any answer to my point about sprechgesang, but I'd like to reinforce it in that plenty of 19th and 20th century operas have tortured screams in at relevenant parts of the story. Granted it isn't all the way through, but nor is Opeth's growling . In fact "Forgotten Sons" by Marillion has Fish shouting "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGGGHHHHH-MEN!", does it not?
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goose
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 09:54 |
Valarius wrote:
Why is it everybody has to completely flame the bands and albums they can't stand?
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Hey come on, at least that one was funny
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Warren
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Joined: April 08 2005
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 10:41 |
I bought Blackwater Park a long time ago and just didn't get it at all
so took it back to the record shop and exchanged it. I'm starting to
think that maybe I should get myself another copy now, though, as
Damnation seemed like a bit of a let down (the "lighter" songs not
being as majestic as many of their predecessors). I'm also starting to
think that with my hi-fi as it is now, the "loud bits" of the previous
albums wont sound as boomy and abrasive. As for growling, I've got used
to screaming, and at least Opeth seems to do it well. An acquired
taste, though, indeed.
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Abbath
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 11:56 |
Reed Lover wrote:
You are a teenager right?
I wont even point out how peer pressure affects your tastes,sheepboy! |
What with all the baseless attacks and abuse of smilies, I'd say I'm the one who's more mature here.
I don't limit myself to one genre. I just happen to know quite a bit
about Death Metal and it irks me when I see someone misunderstand it.
Plus, Opeth is barely Death Metal.
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Abbath
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 12:00 |
Warren wrote:
I bought Blackwater Park a long time ago and just didn't get it at all
so took it back to the record shop and exchanged it. I'm starting to
think that maybe I should get myself another copy now, though, as
Damnation seemed like a bit of a let down (the "lighter" songs not
being as majestic as many of their predecessors). I'm also starting to
think that with my hi-fi as it is now, the "loud bits" of the previous
albums wont sound as boomy and abrasive. As for growling, I've got used
to screaming, and at least Opeth seems to do it well. An acquired
taste, though, indeed.
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A common mistake is that people rush to the last three albums,
meanwhile, the earliermaterial is much less formulaic and have some
unbelievable passages. Still Life is most like their later stuff, but
is executed amazingly. It's their best album. If you feel down for the
challenge, you should check out the first two albums, Orchid and
Morningrise. They're some great works, but you have to look past a lot
of lulls and some awkward moments due to the band still trying to
figure out exactly what they were doing.
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Reed Lover
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Joined: July 16 2004
Location: Sao Tome and Pr
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 12:10 |
Abbath wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
You are a teenager right?
I wont even point out how peer pressure affects your tastes,sheepboy!
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What with all the baseless attacks and abuse of smilies, I'd say I'm the one who's more mature here.
I don't limit myself to one genre. I just happen to know quite a bit about Death Metal and it irks me when I see someone misunderstand it. Plus, Opeth is barely Death Metal.
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If that's your idea of an "attack" I reckon you should get out a bit more!
What's there to "understand" about death metal? Enlighten me please.
Just for the record I own Blackwater Park and Damnation.
I grew up with Motorhead,Sabbath et al and saw them all live regularly in the 70's,so I understand "metal"......
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Hangedman
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Joined: November 03 2004
Location: Canada
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 12:45 |
Logos wrote:
Geee wrote:
But the vocals!
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Yes, the vocals are great and Mikael is the best Death metal singer the world has ever seen. Is there a problem here?
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I like the goblin dude from cradle of filth better
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Entropia
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Joined: March 20 2005
Location: Canada
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Points: 171
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 13:30 |
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King of Loss
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 14:05 |
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FloydWright
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 20 2005
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Points: 369
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 20:26 |
Raymon7174 wrote:
Thanks. Your comments are helpful. | BTW, you're welcome...I missed your thanks in the middle of all the inanity.
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lalala
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Posted: May 14 2005 at 09:56 |
dont listen to her... i dont like opeth all that much but my sister loves them so im familiar. i have to say still life is awful though. soooo cheesy. akerfeldt tries being all moralistic... forgiveness, love, respect of religion, blah blah blah. and its worse because he cant write lyrics worth beans. although i cut him slack because english is his second language. still, that album is too fluffy and goody two shoes. ok so not learning to forgive and to maintain a relationship with god means insanity? riiight.
i agree with you people by the way... the growling is very bad. even people who can tolerate it, im sure they cant actually ENJOY it.
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