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    Posted: December 09 2009 at 21:31
Originally posted by mgallard mgallard wrote:

Does anyone have a list of Opeth songs without growling. I just listened all the way through Damnation and really enjoyed it, but I can't stand it when Mr. Cookie Monster arrives. Anyone know them enough to help on that.

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I was in your position when I first listened to Opeth.  I listened and loved Damnation, but couldn't get around the growls.  Then I listened to "The Drapery Falls" off of Blackwater Park, which only has growls in one section, and I loved it.  In that song, the growls made sense within the context of the song.  So I slowly came around to them, and now I own a great many Opeth records.

This whole Opeth w/out growls chase reminds me of a Python sketch where the customer can't get any breakfast without Spam. 

Wife:Have you got anything without spam?
Waitress:Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2009 at 14:09
I feel you, OP; I too prefer singing to growling, thought I will listen to Watershed (only Opeth album I've got) completely through with no unpleasant side effects from the growling ;)

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Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose? Tongue


I hear you. One of the main beauties of Opeth and bands similar is the contrast between growling and clean vox. It's one of the reasons I listen to them.

Anyways, to the point, here's a list chronologically:

Morningrise:
To Bid You Farewell (strongly recommended)

My Arms Your Hearse
Credence

Still Life
Face Of Melinda
Benighted

Blackwater Park
Harvest

Deliverance
A Fair Judgement

Ghost Reveries
Atonement
Hours Of Wealth
Isolation Years

Watershed
Coil
Burden
Porcelain Heart
Hex Omega

I think that solves everything as far as pure clean vox goes

Add in "Bridge of Sighs" and the cover of some Swedish pop chick's song "Den ständiga resan" from the Watershed special edition to that.

Also, the covers of Alice in Chain's "Would?" (Awesome!) and of Deep Purple's "Soldier of Fortune."


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Opeth is the only band with growling vocals that I DO really like. The contrast between the demonic cookie monster vocals and the clean singing is so great, and it is what makes them interesting. 

Mikael's clean voice is one of the best in rock, in my opinion. All of Damnation and most of Watershed I recommend to a non-death metal voice fan. The new album was a surprise, as apart from two or three tracks, there is not much growling. The ballads on Watershed are gorgeous, in my opinion. But when Watershed is heavy (Heir Apparent is probably the heaviest thing they've ever done), it is REALLY heavy. 

I don't think Damnation is boring at all. I'm a big metal fan as well as a proghead, but the songwriting and musicianship on Damnation is second to none. It may even be one of my favourites from them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2009 at 21:14
Originally posted by mgallard mgallard wrote:

Mr. Cookie Monster
 
Why does everyone seem to call him that way? LOL Anyway, it's pretty funny though!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2009 at 20:09
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Originally posted by progrocker2244 progrocker2244 wrote:

^ Yes he does have an excellent singing voice, but the music is occasionally boring.
 
window payne boring? I think too many kids have been brainwashed by metal. It's all about fashion these days. I don't follow others, I just go for quality  LOL


I go for quality, too. The entire album isn't boring, but parts are, especially when in comparison to Still Life.

btw, I am NOT a huge metalhead. I typically don't even like growling, but Opeth's dynamic shifts between acoustic and death metal sections is incredible. Windowpane is an exceptionally good song, and the whole album is very good (I gave it 4 stars actually). But it lacks the great combination of acoustic, death metal, and progressive rock and metal that makes Opeth great in the first place.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2009 at 19:27
quiet you... people are discussing, rather then forcing their opinions with harsh medicine.

It's not that Damnnation is boring, I find it musically exciting.
I don't think Opeth without growls would neccesarily be worse, or bad. But I think what makes Opeth so great is how completely dynamic their sound is, within a single composition even. It's quite amazing actually if you think about it.

Take the song from Ghost Reveries "Reverie/Harlequin Forest" for instance. Very dynamic song.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2009 at 06:23
Originally posted by progrocker2244 progrocker2244 wrote:

^ Yes he does have an excellent singing voice, but the music is occasionally boring.
 
window payne boring? I think too many kids have been brainwashed by metal. It's all about fashion these days. I don't follow others, I just go for quality  LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2009 at 05:28
^ Yes he does have an excellent singing voice, but the music is occasionally boring.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2009 at 01:12
Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Originally posted by mgallard mgallard wrote:

Does anyone have a list of Opeth songs without growling. I just listened all the way through Damnation and really enjoyed it, but I can't stand it when Mr. Cookie Monster arrives. Anyone know them enough to help on that.

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Their only good boring album LOL
 
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boring? Wink
Window payne is 10 times better than anything on deliverance LOL
When he actually sings, he has a great voice
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2009 at 00:27
Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Originally posted by mgallard mgallard wrote:

Does anyone have a list of Opeth songs without growling. I just listened all the way through Damnation and really enjoyed it, but I can't stand it when Mr. Cookie Monster arrives. Anyone know them enough to help on that.

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Their only good boring album LOL
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2009 at 00:01
Originally posted by mgallard mgallard wrote:

Does anyone have a list of Opeth songs without growling. I just listened all the way through Damnation and really enjoyed it, but I can't stand it when Mr. Cookie Monster arrives. Anyone know them enough to help on that.

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Their only good album LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 23:48

Haha, the word dragonvoice IMO makes death growls sound so cheesy. In any event Opeth is awesome, and the growls are a huge part of the picture. Without that, I'd venture they'd sound pretty generic.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 15:48
Originally posted by Michelle1PA Michelle1PA wrote:

Originally posted by progrocker2244 progrocker2244 wrote:

And also, just buy Still Life and try to listen to the whole thing. At first I was actually kind of AFRAID of the vocals, but I've grown to love them. If you can't get into the growls on Still Life, then stop trying to get into Opeth.


Still Life is my favorite complete Opeth album. I like a song here or there on their others. For some reason, their other songs I tolerate the harsh vocals because I like the rest of the song. But Still Life seems to flow really well for me. Of course I'm something of a concept album junkie, so the story really drew me.


Same here. Almost ALL of my favorite albums are are concept albums. Scenes From A Memory, Still Life, The Perfect Element, Snow, The Lamb, etc., etc.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 12:21
^ I'll have to check that one out then. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 12:16
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by mgallard mgallard wrote:

Does anyone have a list of Opeth songs without growling. I just listened all the way through Damnation and really enjoyed it, but I can't stand it when Mr. Cookie Monster arrives. Anyone know them enough to help on that.

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LOL

That is my only problem with Opeth. The music and Mikael Åkerfeldt's normal vox are great.
I have never heard Opeth, because I really don't like growling vocals, and so have avoided them.  So can't really contribute much to this discussion, except to say that I did enjoy Akerfeldt's guest lead vocals on the new OSI album.  He has a good voice.  I'm probably in the same boat as the OP, in that I would be much more interested in Opeth except for the cookie monster vox. 
 
Then you need to buy the album Damnation which is all clean vocals and guitars, with mellotrons and harmonies, it's like a dark Genesis / Camel vibe. Sort of.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 12:12
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by mgallard mgallard wrote:

Does anyone have a list of Opeth songs without growling. I just listened all the way through Damnation and really enjoyed it, but I can't stand it when Mr. Cookie Monster arrives. Anyone know them enough to help on that.

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LOL

That is my only problem with Opeth. The music and Mikael Åkerfeldt's normal vox are great.
I have never heard Opeth, because I really don't like growling vocals, and so have avoided them.  So can't really contribute much to this discussion, except to say that I did enjoy Akerfeldt's guest lead vocals on the new OSI album.  He has a good voice.  I'm probably in the same boat as the OP, in that I would be much more interested in Opeth except for the cookie monster vox. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 12:07
Originally posted by progrocker2244 progrocker2244 wrote:

And also, just buy Still Life and try to listen to the whole thing. At first I was actually kind of AFRAID of the vocals, but I've grown to love them. If you can't get into the growls on Still Life, then stop trying to get into Opeth.


Still Life is my favorite complete Opeth album. I like a song here or there on their others. For some reason, their other songs I tolerate the harsh vocals because I like the rest of the song. But Still Life seems to flow really well for me. Of course I'm something of a concept album junkie, so the story really drew me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 10:54
OK, excellent, thanks for the input, certainly dragonvoice sounds "better" than cookie monster, though I must admit it's just as childish in my opinion. I gather I'll be able to maybe "grok" Opeth if I can enjoy their non-growling music and then venture step by step into the rest. The DVD idea is a good one, I'll do it. Thanks again for your time and ideas.

Greetings

mgallard


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 08:38
I came to this site with basically your original question as my prime motivator.
 
To say dragonvoice is an acquired taste is the understatement of the decade, but if there's anywhere to learn it, it's from Opeth. Just buy Watershed and give it time. From there you'll be able to handle it.
 
BTW, Akerfeldt has the best dragonvoice ever. That youtube link is an awesome example, there's a back and forth between Ihsahn and Akerfeldt and it sounds like a bat flying around the devil.
 
And live, he's mindboggling. Give it some time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 08:08
Get the Lamentations DVD ... getting used to the vocals is much easier when you can also watch the guys.
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