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    Posted: September 19 2016 at 19:52
Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Hi, guys

Just by accident (touch screen, you see) I happened to rate the Kansas future/new album when passing by the page, so please delete the rating when you have the chance.

No one can be sure, of course, but  at least some of the inappropriate ratings may have the accidental origin like happened to me this time (or am I the only dummy whom this ever happened ? Clown )




I just wanted to add to this. It happens on mobile phones. For some reason there are times when i'm scrolling through the PA website (as well as others) and happened to be logged in and while scrolling i accidently swipe over the star selection and rate an album unknowingly. So before we deem all bad ratings as miscreants, this should be thoroughly understood. I do understand that giving a hundred albums a one star rating is no accident and should be punished by death
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Hi, guys

Just by accident (touch screen, you see) I happened to rate the Kansas future/new album when passing by the page, so please delete the rating when you have the chance.

No one can be sure, of course, but  at least some of the inappropriate ratings may have the accidental origin like happened to me this time (or am I the only dummy whom this ever happened ? Clown )


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^ nonsense indeed. off with their accounts!
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Thank you, I deleted them. At least with Kansas I only had to delete six as opposed to about sixty with Marillion. Not that it matters since such ratings abuse is all too common no matter what the style of music (with bigger and more mainstream acts it's likely to happen more), but most of those raters were also big fans of Neo-Prog based on their ratings (for instance, THIS one ). Both Kansas and Marillion share AOR/ melodic rock qualities as well as symphonic rock qualities.   A fan of Marillion is more likely to appreciate Kansas than say Magma I would posit (I mention Magma specifically because of all the one star reviews in my deleted Kansas rater example), and are more likely to also enjoy, say, Rush, Saga or Spock's Beard than Art Zoyd, Soft Machine or Heldon.

Personally I'd just delete his account if that's the easiest way to get rid of his ratings, He's made a grand total of 2 posts in 5 years and they were to complain about someone elses ratings!! That stuff is just nonsense.
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An epidemic, I wouldn't use that term, but ratings abuse and rating manipulation is a recurrent problem, and is often one that needs cleaning up. Monitoring them and cleaning those up requires a lot of time and work, and a lot never do get cleaned up. I would give ratings only a zero weighting, but the weighting system we have ain't bad. Because of the weighting system we have, the manipulative ratings without reviews don't generally have a big effect. It has with some new albums where hordes of people trying multiple accounts have come here to prop up an album and at the same time bring down a competitor.   It's not nearly so big a problem when it comes to older albums which have been reviewed and rated by many individuals, and I haven't seen much apparent abuse when it comes to older relative obscurities either with very few ratings/ reviews.

Edited by Logan - September 13 2016 at 10:30
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kingsnake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2016 at 10:17
Come to think of it. I recently changed a lot of 5star ratings to 4star ratings.
Because of my fondness and enthousiasm I rated personal favorites very high, but they are far from essential.

Sometimes it's hard being objective.
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^ I hear ya but i can't imagine that a few idiots who don't listen to the music and only provide a rating without a review will change an album like Magma's K.A. for example that has 549 ratings and 33 reviews. I doubt their rating would have any impact at all.

Is there an epidemic of this behavior? I have the urge to rate certain albums i like higher but always keep in mind that i'm trying to present music in an objective manner for others to discover IF THEY WANT TO! 
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It feels like pissing vinegar (dutch expression), and I don't know why it bothers me so much.

But aren't we all trying to create some kind of datebase for essential albums for people to discover?
Let's say; I want to try out Magma, and the scores are really bad, would I still try it?

I often look at the top50 of any genre to see what I should try next. At least, that's why I like the rating-system.


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Maybe we should start rating users. We all vote on who has the most innapriate ratings and the ones who lose, well, off with their heads!
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I was being sarcastic of course :D

I know hate-voters don't listen to the albums they 'hate'.
I even know a lot of people who like 70's bands go on hating on 80's releases by their favorite bands, just because, you know, the 80's sucks! right?

As for me; i've been a member since 2006 but have been listening to music since, I don't know, say 1986. So I had some rating-sprees aswell, especially when the new subgenres 'progrelated' and 'protoprog' came about.
But honestly, I've listened to every single album I've rated so far, even all the deathmetal.

But user rating all Anekdoten albums 1* is just not being serious. It's someone that can stand his favorite band (wonder wich band that is), isn't the number 1 band in the world.
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I doubt he's even listened to them.

Someone like that doesn't care if they rate albums that they haven't heard at all. He didn't mind rating the unreleased Kansas with five stars despite not hearing the album and he wouldn't mind rating every single Magma album a one without in good likelihood hearing any of the albums in full.   I suspect he heard a sample or two, then went on a rating spree. In such cases, all ratings are hugely suspect. We've had a lot of people who will give every single album by their favourite five stars (and in the case of those with big discographies I doubt they've heard all of them), and give every single album by another band one star.

One commonality of such people tend to be that they never, or almost never, write reviews to justify their ratings. In every case of the ratings I've deleted for an as yet un-released albums, though many of them have done hundreds of ratings, none of them have done one review here of any of the albums.

By the way, I can't think of any albums I'd rate with one star in my collection, and I have a very big collection, and I don't like to rate albums (not that I do anymore) until I've lived with it for a some time and given it numerous spins. Sometimes an album needs a few months to click. I never try to like anything and haven't forced music on myself except for PA purposes or when friends have wanted me to listen to something, but some music just doesn't appeal at one time, but it might appeal at a later date. It depends what I'm in the mood for any given day, as well as what kind of music I'm into at the time, and also it depends upon my exposure to similar forms of music -- often one type of music leads to another. Often I found music that crossed over from one genre I liked to another that I then became keen on (gateway music).

I don't like Iron Maiden or Metallica either (had friend into Iron Maiden so I was exposed to it), but then I'm not into metal and traditionally I haven't been a fan of hard rock (my first love was classical music, but the first Prog that appealed to me had classical influence, then as I got more into jazz I liked the jazzy Prog the best and so-on). That said, I now do like a lot of "heavy prog" since I found bands that incorporated those elements into music that was more my taste which expanded my horizons.
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Wow, those are a lot of 1 star ratings. I often wonder why someone like that would go through the trouble to actually listen to all those albums, after 1 or 2 albums you don't, I'd think you'd give up listening to such a band or genre.

The only bands I rated low are Iron Maiden and Metallica, but I really don't like them. And believe me: I tried and tried to listen and like them.
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Thank you, I deleted them. At least with Kansas I only had to delete six as opposed to about sixty with Marillion. Not that it matters since such ratings abuse is all too common no matter what the style of music (with bigger and more mainstream acts it's likely to happen more), but most of those raters were also big fans of Neo-Prog based on their ratings (for instance, THIS one ). Both Kansas and Marillion share AOR/ melodic rock qualities as well as symphonic rock qualities.   A fan of Marillion is more likely to appreciate Kansas than say Magma I would posit (I mention Magma specifically because of all the one star reviews in my deleted Kansas rater example), and are more likely to also enjoy, say, Rush, Saga or Spock's Beard than Art Zoyd, Soft Machine or Heldon.

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Kansas' new album hasn't come out yet.

So not only neoproggers are little children.

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=52328
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2016 at 17:27
I didn't kid.. which is why the Neo team fired me...the same day they invited me to join their team fueled by a bribe and a binge of booze broads and blow.

suckers... only topped in stupidity by myself LOL for opening my mouth as to why big bad tough guy Mick suddenly had an 'interest' in whimpy ass neo-prog.


well they did axe me before I could delete those groups or move them to PR.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I've worked as a kindergarten teacher, my students were more mature (but I wasn't). ;)



QFT.. be glad it was my reviews/ratings you deleted. *spits beer on monitor* Not that I'd get caught dead listening to a Marillion album.. but damnit man... I'd have kept you up all night as I would have just reentered them as you deleted them. The only person on this site more stubborn than me was Ivan. Perhaps that is why we have the history we do. I'd have won that battle with you Greg. Be thankful Neo fans are by their nature...sissies LOL


I think I would have given up and deleted the album then (you might be willing to rate it, but add it?) -- the problem is, once I deleted one of them it might be hard to stop. First I'd have to get through the 209 or so Marillion releases (a quick count) and then hasta la vista Neo....

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I kid.

They've been pretty persistent, deleted several more a few hours ago, despite a note on the albums page asking them not to, and now three more despite writing on the album page under release info "ADMIN NOTE: PLEASE DO NOT RATE BEFORE THE SEPTEMBER RELEASE DATE. Such ratings are being removed and failure to comply could result in the suspension or deletion of account." Perhaps it's still not obvious enough http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=52412 or they're just really stubborn. This has been the sort of behavior I'd expect only of Franco Battiato groupies, but to them I'd be more welcoming.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I've worked as a kindergarten teacher, my students were more mature (but I wasn't). ;)



QFT..  be glad it was my reviews/ratings you deleted. *spits beer on monitor* Not that I'd get caught dead listening to a Marillion album.. but damnit man... I'd have kept you up all night as I would have just reentered them as you deleted them.  The only person on this site more stubborn than me was Ivan. Perhaps that is why we have the history we do.  I'd have won that battle with you Greg.  Be thankful Neo fans are by their nature...sissies LOL
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I've worked as a kindergarten teacher, my students were more mature (but I wasn't). ;)

EDIT: And I have to delete yet another rating by a user for the Marillion album after deleting his several times. I have made a note on the album page not to rate the album before the release date (to be removed later, of course).

I personally am not that keen on adding albums long before release date for this reason, but I can understand why some would want to (and how it can help a band's publicity and act as news of a forthcoming release).

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Feels like being a kindergartenteacher..

It's almost funny if it wasn't so sad.
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