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    Posted: September 01 2018 at 21:02
I like having the star ratings as a guide to what a particular user likes, but I think that ratings-only should have zero weight on ranking and average rating (not that I personally much care about that). In my early days here, I found those ratings useful to discover albums by looking at particular raters ratings who I found had very similar tastes to mine (I didn't need to read reviews by them, if they gave it a four or five, I was confident that it would appeal to me). I also sometimes find it useful as a forum member so get a feel for what someone likes even if it's just to make better recommendations to them. For some people, rating those albums (rating without reviewing) can be a fun list-making exercise and a way of keeping track of albums even if it's not valuable to anyone else.

Regarding the guide to what the ratings mean, I have wanted to see that changed to merely explicitly reflect personal taste (five stars would just mean that you really love it and need not say anything about any apparent objective merits). I think some people may go a bit far in trying to justify their ratings, that included me in the few reviews that I have written. If making it explicitly purely subjective doesn't fly, I would at least like to change it to something along the lines of "Essential: a masterpiece of its category imo". Hopefully it's a very informed opinion, but tastes are subjective and I would rather it be "Awesome! Love it". I realise that the ratings are meant to reflect progressiveness too, and perhaps there could be a separate rating for that, but it will continue to be quite subjective (and it's bit late for such an overhaul and I wouldn't expect such a change).

And I don't think that one should have to give a rating to review an album. I used to read and write film reviews, and I never favoured the use of star ratings then. I avoided publications that used ratings and never wanted to add them to mine.

Anyway I believe that the site owner wants the ratings-only ability partially because we have an English language policy in reviews, and we get people from around the world (some of which have more limited English than others). That said, google translate and such services are very good now.

One part of me would like to see stars gone from reviews (it should at least be optional), and have an area for personal lists where we can rate albums. That said, the overall ratings can be of interest to people and useful as a guide when there are many ratings or ratings by individuals with tastes similar to oneself. It's a feature that I think benefits the site overall and it gets more hits. I don't care much about album ranking and overall rating often, but some do. It's easy to ignore, but reviews would be better when we don't go on about how we rate it like there's more science to the rating than there is. We are amateurs though, despite there being some excellent reviewers here, and I think that's fine.

EDIT: I should read carefully through my posts before posting as I forgot to specify ratings-only in parts. Maybe it was clear enough already.

Edited by Logan - September 01 2018 at 22:54
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2018 at 20:03
Hmmm... I personally think that the star ratings should go away completely because they don't mean jack. I know there is a guide on how you should rate your albums but a lot of people don't really care which is unfortunate. Also, the guide is really vague. I mean.... 2 stars means "Collectors/fans only". Fans? What kinda fan would want to listen to a bad album? But the nail to the coffin is that you have to give a star rating if you want to write a review. That creates a problem that many reviewers focus on precisely measuring the amount of stars to give to an album (like some say things like "3.5 stars really"... why does it mattter?) instead of just reviewing the album.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2018 at 09:55
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Anyone want to have a look at this guy?


13,500 ratings, 99% of them 5 star! Not a single forum post or review.


I've been aware of him for a long time. Without seeing anything obviously malicious or mischievous in his ratings, I wouldn't want to take action.

With some "overraters", I have taken action when I see, say, clear manipulation or people clearly rating albums that they could not have heard yet. If there's any particularly suspicious behaviour/ ratings, then that should be investigated.

Edited by Logan - September 01 2018 at 09:58
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He/She must have been in recently, I spotted the entries as he'd rated the very recent new Zevious album.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote someone_else Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2018 at 07:56
Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

It's a strange, strange world (the internet, I mean) - at least the guy/girl eventually left for good more than 3 years ago (but the sillyness lives on)

Did he? It was his last forum login, methinks. Some of his 13000+ ratings are from a later date (Big Big Train's recently released Merchants of Light is also on the list). So I guess the last login in the Collaborators Login Zone, which is necessary for ratings and reviews, is not shown on the Collaborators.asp page.

Edit: Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V... there we go again


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Quinino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2018 at 07:27
It's a strange, strange world (the internet, I mean) - at least the guy/girl eventually left for good more than 3 years ago (but the sillyness lives on)
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Anyone want to have a look at this guy?


13,500 ratings, 99% of them 5 star! Not a single forum post or review.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2018 at 16:27
This guy is misusing or abusing the system, and in such cases people rarely know all those albums. That said, I have only deleted his Soft Machine "Hidden Details" rating thus far as I can find no info that he could have listened to a pre-released album (or one given to reviewers) legitimately or not (in both those cases, I would get rid of it). Don't know if I, or another more experienced in dealing with such matters admin, will remove his other ratings, but this is one to watch and consider.
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Thanks, will look into it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tempest_77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2018 at 15:31
Someone might wanna check this guy out:

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=55997&listreviews=chrono&showall=true#reviews

It seems like he used to have a variety of ratings but lately he's done whole discographies with five stars, or mostly fives and some ones. It sort of shifted gradually and then got to the point where he has stuff like what looks like Peter Gabriel's entire discography as all five stars. Maybe its not abuse and just someone who doesn't really know how they're supposed to use the rating system, but it seems a little weird to me. I found it because he's the only person who has currently rated Soft Machine's 2018 album (which he gave five stars), and I decided to check it out since, of course, that album isn't even out yet.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

So is it Marco Ragni himself creating all these aliases, or does he have a `number one fan' that's trying to impress him? 

I was assuming it was the same thing. He's dropped into the 170's since the clean up. 


Too bad for Ragni and his reputation on PA: he had positive reviews from Windhawk, Rivertree or Tzsimay - who I won't suspect from being part of a conspiracy of cheaters!
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Agreed, there's a couple of people I like guesting on this one so I gave it a listen but its pretty nondescript.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

So is it Marco Ragni himself creating all these aliases, or does he have a `number one fan' that's trying to impress him? 

I was assuming it was the same thing. He's dropped into the 170's since the clean up. 

If it was him...well, I've never listened to his music, but despite some good reviewers on there singing his praises, this sort of sh*t just makes me want to dismiss him altogether, especially if it's throwing a whole bunch of other artists under the bus to get more attention.
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Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

So is it Marco Ragni himself creating all these aliases, or does he have a `number one fan' that's trying to impress him? 

I was assuming it was the same thing. He's dropped into the 170's since the clean up. 
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So is it Marco Ragni himself creating all these aliases, or does he have a `number one fan' that's trying to impress him?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote 3RDegree Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2018 at 03:18
I had a little "fun" with him seen below to which he did not comment...BTW, he was commenting on OUR album in a 3rd person's thread strangely.

 



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1.It's the same person, not a bunch of friends.
2.He gives one star ratings to many bands which are in the top 20 albums of the year (the same bands more or less with every profile), in order for Marco Ragni to be no1 and then post a screenshot in his facebook page. And that has unfortunately already happened.

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Originally posted by TSoP2018 TSoP2018 wrote:

strange that most of Marco Ragni's 5 stars reviews are coming from members that joined on the same day of their last visit, it can be a coincidence of course, but...

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=64534

Member since: 5/28/2018 • Forum posts: 0 • Last visit: 5/28/2018 5:39:31 AM EST 

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=59004

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http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=64641

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http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=64611

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http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=64636

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http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=54430

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http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=54435

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http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=54421

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http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=56070

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Is it against the rules to have a bunch of friends join and vote up your albums? Sounds like a legit and useful stategy to me. Have there been rules written out about this stuff? I'd love to read the details if so.

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http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=64655

Scarlet Pimpernell's today's profile...
The usual stuff...
Marco Ragni 12 points. Wins the Eurovision song contest.


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