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Poll Question: is Barack Obama doing a good job so far as President ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2009 at 12:32
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

As a fan of the Constitution I'd say no but I knew that he was a socialist during the campaign.  I'm not a fan of either party but I must say the 2010 and 2012 elections couldn't get here soon enough.  I just hope America is still America when they roll around and that the government still allows non-SEIU members to vote.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2009 at 19:51
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

As a fan of the Constitution I'd say no but I knew that he was a socialist during the campaign.  I'm not a fan of either party but I must say the 2010 and 2012 elections couldn't get here soon enough.  I just hope America is still America when they roll around and that the government still allows non-SEIU members to vote.


 
Uhhhh, ok?
I really do love what the left does when they have no interest in dealing with actual issues.  Sure, Barry is ignoring the Constitution and steering the country towards socialism at warp speed but how bout that Sarah Palin huh, don't you just hate her because uhhh, ummm.  Don't you guys all just want to destroy her because she happens to be a successful conservative woman!  Get the pitchforks!!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2009 at 20:23
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Don't you guys all just want to destroy her because she happens to be a successful conservative woman!  Get the pitchforks!!!
 
Nah I'd rather destroy her because she is the greatest beacon of political ignorance I can possibly think of. That she is actually popular and thought of as good in any way besides her ability to repeat key conservative ideals and look purdy like a Miss America model, vapid and painfully grating.
 
Also, I'll never vote for anyone who voices the opinion that science and creationism should both be taught in schools. If you don't respect science, I wouldn't trust her with a glass of hot water, let alone any form of power.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2009 at 20:37
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Uhhhh, ok?
I really do love what the left does when they have no interest in dealing with actual issues.  Sure, Barry is ignoring the Constitution and steering the country towards socialism at warp speed but how bout that Sarah Palin huh, don't you just hate her because uhhh, ummm.  Don't you guys all just want to destroy her because she happens to be a successful conservative woman!  Get the pitchforks!!!
I am not a "liberal", but I cannot stand the victim complex Sarah and her supporters have. She is dumb, and people are acknowledging that, get over it!
 
And Obama is not a damn socialist, for the love of God.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2009 at 01:28
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Uhhhh, ok?
I really do love what the left does when they have no interest in dealing with actual issues.  Sure, Barry is ignoring the Constitution and steering the country towards socialism at warp speed but how bout that Sarah Palin huh, don't you just hate her because uhhh, ummm.  Don't you guys all just want to destroy her because she happens to be a successful conservative woman!  Get the pitchforks!!!
I am not a "liberal", but I cannot stand the victim complex Sarah and her supporters have. She is dumb, and people are acknowledging that, get over it!
 
And Obama is not a damn socialist, for the love of God.
 
Never claimed to be a Palin supporter, certainly not picking a pony 3 years out, though I am willing to give her a little more credit than the majority of you are.  From an experience standpoint I do believe she was ahead of Obama preceeding the election.  The Governor of any state has to have more leadership experience than a Senator that rarely even shows up to vote.  Barrack Obama is nothing special, he's not the great unifier send from above the media portrayed.  Sarah Palin is nothing special but she also isn't the complete dunce the media portrayed her as.  I suppose as a regular poster on Prog Archive though, Henry, you do have a direct line to all information Palin, that you've read her book cover to cover, and that you've spoken with her many times on many issues; so maybe we should bow to your well thought out expert opinion.  It is funny though how you can complain about her supporters having victim complex then immediately start casting stones.  I wouldn't call it a victim complex, I'd say it is a backlash to the treatment she has received since she came onto the national scene.
 
As per the socialism: 
Socialism (American Heritage Dictionary 2009) - Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
 
Under the Obama administration the federal government has seized controll over the nations major car manufacturers and the banking system (which they had already corrupted by becoming so deeply involved with organizations like Fannie Mae that in the case of Barnie Frank that statement can actually be taken literally).  The current Health Care Bill, Obama's no. 1 priority, is no more than a jumbled mess of bureaucracy, taxation, and regulation that sets up for the a complete government take over of the health care industry which would allow the government (and whomever is in control of it; be it republicans or democrats) to control all aspects of your life which involve health which is basically everything you do.  And if you say, "I don't have to buy into buy a government health care plan"(and who could blame you with their asstounding efficiency) then just wait a few years when alternatives aren't avaliable because all the business', that once took care of employee health care, pass their employees on to the government system, which is payed for by all of us, leaving private insurers with very little ability to compete against the massive government system.  As private insurers lose the ability to make a profit (which for some mind boggling reason has become an evil word in todays America) they will fold up leaving those who had policies with these companies with the option of either joining the government system or going to prison.  Yes, the federal government, under the Obama administration, is seeking the ability to imprison American citizens for not not buying health insurance.  So, yes, I do believe that Obama's agenda is socialistic in that it seeks to not only move control over private industry to the central government (which the administration has already done) but also control over as many aspects of each citizens lives as possible (the administration has a "pay tsar" for christs sake).
 
Phew, see I usually stay away from these political threads because I was a political science major in college and already spend four years of my life standing up for the basic principals of this nation to professors who had never spent a day in their lives outside the protection of a college campus and the sheep that hung on their every word.
 
Note: I have been up for three solid days straight and chose to sleep over backchecking my writing for spelling and grammer errors (not that I'm all that picky on forum posts to begin with) so if there's something in there well, you'll just have to completely ignore everything else I've ever done in my life and throw me on the "dumb" pile.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2009 at 01:34
I very much doubt a government-financed system will be worse than the crap choices and doctors Blue Shield offers, been there done that.. but I guess we'll see, won't we Smiley?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2009 at 10:10
It sure could be worse David.  It's not a true government plan, at least that would have some upside to it.  It's the worst of both worlds.  Leaving the insurance lobby and pharma lobbies in control while mandated people purchase from them.  Businesses may choose to drop coverage leaving people who currently have great employer based plans at the whim of paying much more for less. 
 
It's a joke, and a hugely expensive one.  And I love how they lie about the cost, projecting 10 years out, looking at revenue for the full 10 years, but only looking at benefits post 2015. 
 
A huge waste of money we can't afford with little positive in the plan. 
 
Big thumbs down on Obama from here, and I voted for him
 
Not only for health care, but on just about every other thing to come out of his mouth to date.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2009 at 10:53
Com'n... socialist...??? Obama...??? you really need to take a look to the south and understand that in United States there's no socialist in any way... the so called "left" is the most liberal you can see in the continent... just take a look to Mexico, Venezuela, Ecuador and you will find a theorically strong socialist wing controlling most of the power... and even with that the ways of government are more Capitalist than anyone... you don't have socialism in any way... com'on..!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2009 at 11:32
Yes, Mr. Hitman (for your avatar, it seems you adore hitmen). Look Manofmystery, before I say someone's socialist, I would grab a flight and go to actual socialist countries and I would read and watch a lot about socialism's history and try to learn what socialism is.
 
Have you ever left you home town , or your home state Manofmystery?  Have you ever seen socialism, pure non-market socialism direct to its face?
 
I hope you don't use the Fox News definitionn of socialism though. If so, hell, pretty much the whole f**king Europe and almost the entire world bar the US is socialist. 
 
Btw, I'm not attacking your consevative beliefs (which I think are wrong anyway but you're free to have them). I just react to calling things by names that really don't fit.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2009 at 11:54
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Yes, Mr. Hitman (for your avatar, it seems you adore hitmen). Look Manofmystery, before I say someone's socialist, I would grab a flight and go to actual socialist countries and I would read and watch a lot about socialism's history and try to learn what socialism is.
 
Have you ever left you home town , or your home state Manofmystery?  Have you ever seen socialism, pure non-market socialism direct to its face?
 
I hope you don't use the Fox News definitionn of socialism though. If so, hell, pretty much the whole f**king Europe and almost the entire world bar the US is socialist. 
 
Btw, I'm not attacking your consevative beliefs (which I think are wrong anyway but you're free to have them). I just react to calling things by names that really don't fit.
 
 
Well, I don't say he is conservative and that he is wrong... I'm a believer of liberalism but right now is so utopic as an uncorrupted politician so... but it's right... from the US common living is like everybody who said "poor" or "social rights" is a socialist... but hell..!!! Fidel Castro rings any bell to you...??? I think is for the way of education in the US... they even called "America" themselves and there's a huge continent outside with that name... so... it's kind of selfish and overconcentrate on their own but not learning nothing outside their own country...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2009 at 04:02
Obama, the rookie president has no idea what a mistake he is making sending 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan. Its too close to India, Pakistan, China,etc. What an ill-advised procedure. Do you know how many more men and women will die for this? Thousands more,...and for what Al-Queda? bullcrap. Hey Noriega, you get rid of Al-Queda and you can go free. Or what makes you think The Russian Federation
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Why doesn't Obama put a major tax hike on pornography sales. Like charging $169.99 for a new DVD
who REALLY CARES. The Politicians are all the same... I just bet you that The U.S. government has already sold California to the Europeans. Hence our crappy governer. Obama has Bush's Defense Plan Makers still in his Camp. It's obvious. When Obama was campaigning he never hinted once about sending thousands overseas to war. He was supposed to be the peacebringer because he was articulate, but now he is A PAWN. And he is AFRAID of the powers that be. Thanks Oprah, you rich people are all the same. I kinda wish goofy Goerge W. was around. At least he knew he was stupid 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2009 at 04:08
and be NICE to Manofmystery. He is a good guy

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2009 at 04:12
nah, he's not. He's depressingly conservative. He won a peace prize and then allowed an increase in troops overseas.

yeah it's none of my business but he appears to be the most important man in England based on the frequency of his appearances in the news.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2009 at 11:48
Originally posted by halabalushindigus halabalushindigus wrote:

Obama, the rookie president has no idea what a mistake he is making sending 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan. Its too close to India, Pakistan, China,etc. What an ill-advised procedure. Do you know how many more men and women will die for this? Thousands more,...and for what Al-Queda? bullcrap. Hey Noriega, you get rid of Al-Queda and you can go free. Or what makes you think The Russian Federation
isn't ready to pick off afew G.I.s. They've been real nice and friendly, but dont think for a minute they wont toast us. We are fools,especially Obama dancing around at the Ball. Our economy is weak and we have no barter power. Stop [playing Mr. Big Boy War Games because those europeans are sick uf us, plus they could use our real estate. I don't see America existing another 100 years Japan and the Russian Federation are the superpowers of the world. And Russia can toast Japan in about three or four minutes because of its location. Im sorry but times up Isreal, its your turn to go out and live in the middle of the med. Do something for The arabs for once.
Why doesn't Obama put a major tax hike on pornography sales. Like charging $169.99 for a new DVD
who REALLY CARES. The Politicians are all the same... I just bet you that The U.S. government has already sold California to the Europeans. Hence our crappy governer. Obama has Bush's Defense Plan Makers still in his Camp. It's obvious. When Obama was campaigning he never hinted once about sending thousands overseas to war. He was supposed to be the peacebringer because he was articulate, but now he is A PAWN. And he is AFRAID of the powers that be. Thanks Oprah, you rich people are all the same. I kinda wish goofy Goerge W. was around. At least he knew he was stupid 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2009 at 11:50
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

nah, he's not. He's depressingly conservative. He won a peace prize and then allowed an increase in troops overseas.

 
This is NOT the change that people asked for... But maybe is the reasonable call. What do we know about war and foreign strategies? Let's wait and see...
 
Where I'm starting to lose faith is in the local front... In here, in the US, where unemployment soars and health is still a privilege...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2009 at 11:45
Hmmmmmmm

Can I have another "hell no"?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2009 at 11:47
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

nah, he's not. He's depressingly conservative. He won a peace prize and then allowed an increase in troops overseas.

 
What do we know about war and foreign strategies? 

Since matters of war are to be determined via the people and not decided by the President I would hope we know something about it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2009 at 11:48
^It was SO necessary to bump this thread for THAT...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2009 at 11:59
He's saying that Congress is the one that declares war and troop increases. And that Congress is supposed to answer to the people, but that's a whole different topic. The President can only ask nicely for Congress to do such things, but he doesn't approve it in the end.
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