Progarchives.com Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Music Lounge
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Infuential pre prog album on prog.
  FAQ FAQ  Forum SearchSearch  Calendar   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedInfuential pre prog album on prog.

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12
Author
Message
Dick Heath View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Jazz-Rock Specialist

Joined: April 19 2004
Location: England
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 12325
Direct Link To This Post Topic: Infuential pre prog album on prog.
    Posted: July 12 2005 at 13:23
Originally posted by Schizoid Man

3. 1966 ~ Beatles ~ Tomorrow Never Knows from Revolver. Really a result of the Beatles, George Martin and the engineers playing the studio. Even Mr. Collins did his version on his first solo album Face Value.

Before ever getting near the Collins version, check out the storming version on  Phil Manzanera's 801 Live, and the two remarkable guitar versions of it  that bookend Come Together: A Beatles Tribute Volume 2 (NYC Records) by Wayne Krantz and David Fuiczynski.

 

Back to Top
Tenorsaxman89 View Drop Down
Forum Groupie
Forum Groupie
Avatar

Joined: July 03 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 40
Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 13:55

I believe that Keith Emerson was inspired early on (Pre-Nice) by a record called "Switched on Bach" which was Bach on a Hammond Organ.  I can't recall the artist performing it though.

Jethro Tull kicks ass!

But don't forget the Moody Blues :)
Back to Top
Scratchy View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: October 16 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 110
Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 14:41

Why pre-1965.Prog rock is said to have started in 1967,therefore why not pre-1967.

A better way of finding out the answer to your question is when/who made the transition from Psychedelic rock to Progressive rock.That is surely the most influencial pre-prog album.A genre cannot be based on one song or even an album.They or someone else must have continued the experiment for the genre(prog) to have developed further.It is generally excepted that Prog followed on from the imputious of Freakbeat(Pink Floyd
Piper At The Gates Of Dawn is a good example) also pop art rock (The Beatles
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band the best example) but also alongside Jazz (Hard Bop influence usually) or Classical to give an album fluidity which is needed to produce the necessary ingredients of Prog rock.

I do not,personally,regard either of the above true Prog albums,but are probably 2 of the more influential in the movement at the time.There are plenty of other lesser influences,numerous Hard Bop and even more classical influences because they had been around for longer.Psychedelia only started two years previously,remember - Psych sub-genre freakbeat only for several months before.



Edited by Scratchy
Back to Top
Scratchy View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: October 16 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 110
Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 15:16
Originally posted by Tenorsaxman89

I believe that Keith Emerson was inspired early on (Pre-Nice) by a record called "Switched on Bach" which was Bach on a Hammond Organ.  I can't recall the artist performing it though.

Walter Carlos.Album released 1968 - it was on a Moog,though.I didn't no that,actually,but just investigated it.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47 81ADC4BAF7120D4932A48E9B561F101DB51ADD74C790453CEB0345B881F6 0E412F686D3F4A139E53BFCA77BE61608CCCBEC49FEDC6638718EE4A7603 23B4E166858&uid=MIW060507121510&sql=11:o4jeeat14xu7~ T1

Back to Top
AtomHeartMother View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: June 18 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 229
Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 15:17

Syd Barrett was one of the first to make prog. songs. Piper wasn't a prog. album but I would say atleast 2 or 3 songs on it are prog, Astronomy Domine/Intersteller Overdrive are deffinetly prog. songs and mabey, Bike, if the main part of that song isn't prog then the ending has to have some prog elements in it. Dozens of clocks ringing randomly/footsteps/Rubberducks quacking and then echoed.

I think these songs that are prog. show that LSD was an influence on Syd's writing ability, he was one of the most creative and "out there" writers of that time. Intersteller Overdrive really sounds like somone on LSD tripping out. We all know that Syd did alot of LSD and weather that was the cause to his removal of the band or not is debatable, but one this is sure, that LSD was a major influence on Syd's prog songs.
Even the pop songs on that album sound like they are written by someone crazy or on LSD, and he was both.

That is what I believe made atleast some of an impact on prog and the whole movement, drugs.



Edited by AtomHeartMother
Back to Top
Certif1ed View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: April 08 2004
Location: England
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 7559
Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 15:21
Originally posted by Scratchy

Why pre-1965.Prog rock is said to have started in 1967,therefore why not pre-1967.

Because 1966 onwards has been covered to death in other threads on this forum - Revolver, Pet Sounds, Piper, Da Capo, In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, S. F. Sorrow, 5 Bridges Suite and all the other great proto-prog/psychedelic albums have been named as contenders for earliest proto-prog album on several occasions.

I think the purpose of this particular thread is to explore further back than that - into the murky waters of jazz/folk/blues and all the other great elements of prog rock.

Prog rock proper started in 1970, AFAIK - with ITCOTCK, which is widely regarded as the first prog album.



Edited by Certif1ed
Back to Top
Odd24 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 18 2005
Location: Netherlands
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 199
Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 15:43
Originally posted by BiGi

Originally posted by Certif1ed

The Beatles weren't doing too much that was progressive before 1965

Agreed! In fact their experimental (thus progressive) gusto started with the Rubber Soul album.

I was thinking about If I needed someone and Wait, just to mention the most "strange".

Actually, it's with Revolver that they started experimenting on a larger scale

I'll agree that the Beatles had a great influence and that it started on "Rubber soul".

But there are also other names that need to be mentioned: Leonard Bernstein (1961), Burt Bacharach (1963) and Brian Wilson (1966). I did actually get a reaction on this in another forum that Gershwin was the first one but I only do know "Rhapsody in blue" played by Ekseption so I cannot judge that.

Right down the line
Back to Top
Scratchy View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: October 16 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 110
Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 15:56
Originally posted by Certif1ed

Originally posted by Scratchy

Why pre-1965.Prog rock is said to have started in 1967,therefore why not pre-1967.

I think the purpose of this particular thread is to explore further back than that - into the murky waters of jazz/folk/blues and all the other great elements of prog rock.

Prog rock proper started in 1970, AFAIK - with ITCOTCK, which is widely regarded as the first prog album.

Oh!!!!!!!!!

I hadn't even heard of Afaik,actually.Shows how much I now.

McCoy Tyner - My favourite things - sounds quite prog piano to me - but that was 1972

Back to Top
Dick Heath View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Jazz-Rock Specialist

Joined: April 19 2004
Location: England
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 12325
Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 16:02
Originally posted by Odd24

But there are also other names that need to be mentioned: Leonard Bernstein (1961), Burt Bacharach (1963) and Brian Wilson (1966). I did actually get a reaction on this in another forum that Gershwin was the first one but I only do know "Rhapsody in blue" played by Ekseption so I cannot judge that.



I like Bernstein inclusion a lot -  mentioned his name recently in another thread, asking how many prog covers from West Side Story existed (e.g. Nice: America, Rundgren/Utopia: Something's Coming), and suggesting Bernstein's Mass would be an ear-opener (rumour has it Paul Simon got involved somewhere along the line, and Gary Lucas played guitar???).

Gershwin and RiB takes us back to the late 20's - a piece first performed (and probably commissioned), in a special arrangement for jazz orchestra,  Paul Whiteman's (the so-called King of Jazz - a title which would have Wynton Marsalis rolling rapid around his grave - if he were dead), which still had Bing Crosby in its ranks and the legendary Bix Beiderbeck had just be fired for being permanently pissed (and this was prohibition). Gershwin's masterwork was separately arranged for classical orchestra and that version is now most commonly played. Simon Rattle released an serious music album on EMI Records classic music label about a decade ago called Jazz, which resurrected the Whiteman version and had some jazz pieces written by Bernstein and Stravinski. The fusion of jazz and serious music, is heard in Ravel's Piano Concerto, which is said to be partly influenced by Bix Beiderbeck - Bix (the cornet-player) reciprocated with a short piano piece In A Mist, with clear Ravel overtones.
Back to Top
Schizoid Man View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 03 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 251
Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 17:57

Thanks Single Coil and Dick Heath for the Tomorrow Never Knows recommendations.

I'd like to add one more and that would be Todd Rundgren's live version. This is from the days when he was playing in Bourgeois Tagg (spelling?)

They do the song justice!

Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.69
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz

This page was generated in 0.524 seconds.