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    Posted: February 17 2010 at 15:29
Which band members' were academically qualified?
I know about gryphon.
 
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Ian Anderson always used to boast that David Palmer was "from the Royal College of Music".

Other than that, I believe Brian May has a Ph.D!
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Yes, in physics. hehe.
I meant musicly of course.
It is amazing that some of these bands made such complicated music with no in depth academic knowledge.
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Points: 65961 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 17:33
Fred Frith teaches a music class at a college out in California. I don't know his educational credentials however.
 
 
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Points: 1416 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 17:39
Not to be "the guy that brings DT into the thread only to be ignored because DT is possibly the most exhausted and universally annoying topic in the forum to all but the 15 fanboys who lurk in the shadows of PA for fear of being excommunicated from the Prog world".....but Dream Theater went to Berklee. Does that count for anything?
 
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Points: 24392 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 17:39
Not prog, I know, but Rage Against the Machine's Tom Morello is a Harvard graduate. 
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Points: 65961 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 17:42
Ed Macan graduated from Oakland University (my alma mater) and now teaches music in California. He is the leader of the band Hermetic Science, with the band members being his students. http://www.hermeticscience.com/biography.htm
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Points: 8093 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 17:48
  Keyboard musician J. Peter Robinson from Quatermass, and german keyboardists Jurgen Fritz from Triumvirat and Jurgen Dollase from Wallenstein all have music degrees, Robinson i believe from the Royal College of Music, and Fritz from the Cologne Conservatory, and Dollase i am not exactly sure where, must be somewhere in Europe.. And i must add, that listening to the high quality of their music, it shows!
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Points: 24392 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 17:57
Originally posted by Tarquin Underspoon Tarquin Underspoon wrote:

Not to be "the guy that brings DT into the thread only to be ignored because DT is possibly the most exhausted and universally annoying topic in the forum to all but the 15 fanboys who lurk in the shadows of PA for fear of being excommunicated from the Prog world".....but Dream Theater went to Berklee. Does that count for anything?
 
'course, they dropped out.......


Didn't Jordan Rudess graduate from Juilliard?
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Points: 7826 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 18:04
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by Tarquin Underspoon Tarquin Underspoon wrote:

Not to be "the guy that brings DT into the thread only to be ignored because DT is possibly the most exhausted and universally annoying topic in the forum to all but the 15 fanboys who lurk in the shadows of PA for fear of being excommunicated from the Prog world".....but Dream Theater went to Berklee. Does that count for anything?
 
'course, they dropped out.......


Didn't Jordan Rudess graduate from Juilliard?


All of the original members went to Berklee (Rudess isn't one of them) Smile

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Points: 7024 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 18:07
Dave Cousins of the Strawbs has a BSc in Stats from Leicester. Brian May got a BSc in Astronomy from Imperial, then quit his PhD to go full time with Queen, but he's since completed it. John Deacon has a BSc in Electronics from one of the London Uni colleges.

There are many, many more degree educated musicians.
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Points: 3834 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 19:11
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Who cares?


This.

Beethoven wrote more advanced music than ANY prog band, and he didn't even go to school.

Booyah, high five *SNAP*
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the most gifted are not constrained by a 'formal' education... it comes from natural talent and ability.

It's like intelligence..  you don't go to college to get smart.. only educated.  One of most treasured of my shattered misconceptions about life is a person with more college than many doctors is not any smarter than a kid who never finished high school.  Only more educated and more of a challenge when playing trivial pursuit hahah
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Points: 7826 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 19:27
Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Who cares?


This.

Beethoven wrote more advanced music than ANY prog band, and he didn't even go to school.

Booyah, high five *SNAP*


Exactly. Think about Chuck Schuldiner for example (who I know you're a fan of, Alex).

He didn't know sh*t about music theory, let alone formal education, and I consider him to be a genius musician. Formal education doesn't "teach" you how to be a great musician. It only teaches you the "correct" ways of being a great musician.

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Points: 24392 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 19:33
Guys, I believe the original poster started the thread out of curiosity, not because he looks down at 'uneducated' musicians - there is nothing in his original post implying such an attitude. And bringing up examples like Beethoven, who lived over 200 years ago, when it was VERY unusual for most people to have a formal education, is neither here nor there. Just my own two cents, of course.
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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 19:41
I wasn't aware that we were behaving as if we thought that's what he meant. For whatever reason somebody would want to know which musicians had proper training, my answer will always be: ''who cares?''. 

Because that's just how I feel about it. Wink No harm was meant. 
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Points: 1243 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 19:44
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Ian Anderson always used to boast that David Palmer was "from the Royal College of Music".

Other than that, I believe Brian May has a Ph.D!


and he is the chancellor of Liverpool John Moores University

Rick Wakeman studied piano, clarinet, orchestration and modern music at the Royal College of Music although he left school....

Pedro Castillo from the Venezuelan band Tempano is an electrical engineer

Schlomo Gronich from Ktzat Acheret holds a B.A. in Music Education from Tel Aviv Educational Academy, and a B.A. in Composition from the Mannes School of Music, New York

and Sting was a literature teacher....
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 19:47
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

I wasn't aware that we were behaving as if we thought that's what he meant. For whatever reason somebody would want to know which musicians had proper training, my answer will always be: ''who cares?''.


Well, if someone ask, then that person definitely cares, so I don't see why asking that question in the first place Wink
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Points: 3126 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 19:47
Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Who cares?


This.

Beethoven wrote more advanced music than ANY prog band, and he didn't even go to school.

Booyah, high five *SNAP*
 


I would tend to think many progressive players put themselves through college books on their own. Along with taking music instruction from great jazz and classical players at a young age. With this kind of background and a trained ear along the way.......and having talent,....they could accomplish anything.
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