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Poll Question: Which violinist do you prefer based on what music you know?
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    Posted: February 19 2010 at 23:42
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Didier Lockwood (born February 11, 1956) is a French jazz violinist.

He was born in Calais and studied classical violin and composition at the Calais Conservatory. However, his brother Francis made him receptive to forms of music other than the classical and he quit his studies in 1972. Didier was entranced by the improvisation of Jean-Luc Ponty on Frank Zappa's King Kong album and took up the amplified violin. He joined the progressive rock group Magma, touring and notable featured on their 1975 Live/Hhaï album. Lockwood was also influenced by Polish violinist Zbigniew Seifert and Stéphane Grappelli, whom he joined on tour.

He has also played with Québécois fusion group Uzeb on their Absolutely Live album.

He is famous for exploring new musical environments and for performing various sound imitations on his amplified violin, such as seagulls or trains.

On July 23, 1982, in Montreux, Switzerland, he performed in concert with guitarist Allan Holdsworth, drummer Billy Cobham, bassist/vocalist Jack Bruce, and keyboardist David Sancious.

Didier Lockwood created a string instruments improvisation school, CMDL (Centre des Musiques Didier Lockwood), in 2001.

He has also composed several film scores, like Les Enfants de la Pluie.

He is married to singer Caroline Casadesus.

Throughout 2006 Didier has been touring with Martin Taylor the Jazz guitarist[1]. In these performances it is noticeable to see that he is very involved in improvisation.


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Member ofMagma, Joan Albert Amargós, Carles Benavent, Didier Lockwood, François Cahen & Didier Lockwood, Martial Solal & Didier Lockwood, Lockwood Top Vander Widemann, Didier Lockwood Quartet, Utopic Sporadic Orchestra, Didier & Francis Lockwood
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Robby Steinhardt (born May 25, 1950) is a rock violinist and singer best known for his work with the group Kansas, for which he was co-lead singer / "frontman" and emcee along with keyboardist Steve Walsh, from 1973–1982 and 1997–2006. In the interim, he fronted his own band, Steinhardt-Moon. He has said that unless he has a writing credit on a song—his credits include about a half dozen songs—the violin (and occasional viola) part was written out for him, usually by Kerry Livgren. His departure from the band after the Vinyl Confessions tour in 1982 was for personal reasons.

[edit] Early life

Steinhardt grew up in Lawrence, Kansas and was the adopted son of Milton Steinhardt, director of music history at the University of Kansas. He started violin lessons at an early age and was classically trained. He has often said that joining a rock band caused him to develop poor playing habits, one of which is awkwardly holding his violin to the side of his head in order to hear himself better through the guitar amps and PA system.

[edit] Work with Kansas

Steinhardt's violin sound, and its interplay with the guitar and keyboards, helped define the Kansas sound. His lead vocals provided a contrast to the high tenor of singer Steve Walsh. The two often sang in harmony, with Steinhardt taking the lower voice.

In early 2006, Steinhardt once again left Kansas, due mostly to overtouring and conflict with other band members. Since Steinhardt rejoined the band in 1997, the touring pace had been pretty hectic, averaging almost 100 shows per year. As part of a mutual agreement, he left Kansas once again. Violinist David Ragsdale (Steinhardt's original replacement), quickly replaced him.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 00:28
I never really was blown away by Steinhardt. I mean he was competent and definitely integral to the classic Kansas sound. However, he never really melted my face like Ponty, Goodman, Sloan, or Ragsdale. I don't know the other guy's work tho, so I can't vote. However, since he's a jazz violinist, he's probably better. :D

On his quitting Kansas, I heard it was mainly because he was just in it to be on stage; he wasn't really trying to be a good musician and would frequently forget lyrics, screw up violin parts, etc. I think his rejoining the band was just kind of a nostalgic joyride, instead of a serious effort. Hence, Walsh, who conversely takes everything way too seriously, gave him the boot. He was probably in the right, but I get the sense that Walsh is a real dick sometimes. After all, he's friends with Trent Gardner and we know how popular he is here...LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 02:12
Didler Lockwood.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 02:21
I can't not vote for a guy whose name looks like "Diddler Lockwood".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 02:43
Although his output was minimal, I have to vote for lockwood just because his performance was so amazing on Magma's live album. That might be my favourite violin playing on any album I've heard.

Also for the reasons Man Overboard mentioned.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 02:58
^^ Diddler Lockwood vs. Rubby Stayin'hard.

^I love  that performance too.  I also liked his work on Zao - Live! and Zao's Kawana,  And he's done good stuff with Clearlight, and nice work with Gong. And he also contributed to Rahmann, which is very good. http://www.myspace.com/rahmannzeuhl


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 03:12
Never heard that other guy. But I still don't think he could beat Robby Steinhardt for me. Few can. Kansas was my first prog rock love and he's such an integrated and important part of that sound he'll always have immense value for me. Lovely violinist!

Unfair? The guy is losing anyway!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 12:26
Lockwood for me.  I enjoy the albums I've heard him on more than the albums I've heard Steinhardt on by far, with Live/Hhai being a prime example of excellence. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 12:40
Since I really don't like Kansas, I have no choice but to vote for Lockwood.
Oh, and he's good. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 12:44
Lockwood for me as well.  His work on Magma and Zao albums makes it an easy choice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 12:49
Originally posted by SaltyJon

Lockwood for me.  I enjoy the albums I've heard him on more than the albums I've heard Steinhardt on by far, with Live/Hhai being a prime example of excellence. 


His performance on "Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh" off Retrospektiw 1-2 is also excellent.  I love that version of MDK.  Based on what I've heard, I think that Lockwood is a more versatile violinist.  Technically, I don't know that he's that outstanding, but I really like much of his work. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 13:43
Originally posted by Logan

Originally posted by SaltyJon

Lockwood for me.  I enjoy the albums I've heard him on more than the albums I've heard Steinhardt on by far, with Live/Hhai being a prime example of excellence. 


His performance on "Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh" off Retrospektiw 1-2 is also excellent.  I love that version of MDK.  Based on what I've heard, I think that Lockwood is a more versatile violinist.  Technically, I don't know that he's that outstanding, but I really like much of his work. 

Yeah, that's another good example of what he can do.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2010 at 13:46
Originally posted by Logan

^^ Diddler Lockwood vs. Rubby Stayin'hard.

^I love  that performance too.  I also liked his work on Zao - Live! and Zao's Kawana,  And he's done good stuff with Clearlight, and nice work with Gong. And he also contributed to Rahmann, which is very good. http://www.myspace.com/rahmannzeuhl


I'm going to have to get that Rahmann album...I listened to some of the samples there, pretty awesome stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 10:53
Lockwood, especially for his incredible performance on Live/Hhai.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 11:16
Originally posted by Harry Hood

Didler Lockwood.
 
Hey HarryHood (or should I say Neal Morse judging by your avatar ?), your signature is disturbing : Nick Mason is alive, and he is neither the voice nor the guitar of PF.
 
 
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 14:33
Possibly a better comparison would be Lockwood vs Jean Luc Ponty, and maybe Steinhardt vs Eddie Jobson or Darryl Way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 22:18
Originally posted by lucas

Originally posted by Harry Hood

Didler Lockwood.
 
Hey HarryHood (or should I say Neal Morse judging by your avatar ?), your signature is disturbing : Nick Mason is alive, and he is neither the voice nor the guitar of PF.
 
 

ONE OF THESE DAYS I'M GOING TO CUT YOU INTO LITTLE PIECES

That was Nick as the sole voice of PF, right? Wink  Also, he played guitar on Outside The Wall (live).


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