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    Posted: February 24 2010 at 11:54
So I am currently listening to Naked City's "Leng Tch'e." The title refers to a now banned manner of execution performed in China by slowly slicing bit by bit of flesh off a living victim. The music is an attempt to recreate the event in one 31 minute song. They did a pretty good job recreating the emotion, I think.
 
In other words, it was the most ghastly listening experience of my life. I don't know what to think. I plan to rate this but what do you say. "I was just artfully tortured, but I'm really not that into torture much." I like dissonance, I like challenging. But this truly was an attempt to recreate a brutal torture. Univers Zero's "Heresie" is nothing compared to this.
 
So A) what do you think of this kind of stuff? and B) other examples and experiences?
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This sounds interesting.  Is it something worth looking into?  Or is it just obnoxious with no musical quality?
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Points: 16913 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2010 at 12:03
What about Throbbing Gristle?  Are they not pretty difficult music?
 
Does anyone know if they've ever been considered for inclusion here? 
 
I seem to recall them being listed in the Billboard book, but I'd have to check to be sure. 

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It's hard to say whether it's obnoxious, but it has some musical merit. But it involves sludgy metal, squeaky sax and screaming. But the cast is all star: John Zorn, Fred Frith, Bill Frisell...
 
I'm listening to Comus' First Utterance to chill out afterwards.
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Fantomas' Delirium Cordia was my similar experience.  The sound track to a surgery.
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:


I'm listening to Comus' First Utterance to chill out afterwards.

LOL


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:S Sounds like some pretty messed up music, that's for sure. I don't know that I would ever listen to it but it has piqued my curiosity at the same time. It seems like an experience like that being added to your repertoire might potentially change the way you look at some things, but it also sounds really harrowing. I would have difficulty rating it too.
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For those who are curious, the full song is available on lala. I haven't listened to the whole thing because I don't have half an hour, so forgive me if I'm wrong in my assesment of it.

There's plenty of noise musicians who are more brutal than that. GX Jupitter-Larsen apparently just breaks amplified things on stage, you can read the descriptions of every one of his shows on his website, and I recommend you do as they are immensely entertaining. Everybody knows about Merzbow, John Wiese is another contender, and there are lots of others that I don't know about because I'm not into noise. I might even say some Peter Brotzmann (Machine Gun) would make the cut, although he's usually acoustic so it's not quite the same since there's no feedback. AMMMusic might fit the bill as more brutal amplification of instruments, rather than staple guns, but I don't own it so I can't say for sure. Otomo Yoshide has gone ambient in his later days, but I always liked posting this one for shock value, and I think it may have more feedback than Leng Tch'e since Leng Tch'e is bound by the ideals of sludge metal.


Edited by Henry Plainview - February 24 2010 at 13:29
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEFHkqLfKiI
 
Actually watching it makes it seem just stupid.
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEFHkqLfKiI
 
Actually watching it makes it seem just stupid.
It's just 2 deep 4 u. :P
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

For those who are curious, the full song is available on lala. I haven't listened to the whole thing because I don't have half an hour, so forgive me if I'm wrong in my assesment of it.

There's plenty of noise musicians who are more brutal than that. GX Jupitter-Larsen apparently just breaks amplified things on stage, you can read the descriptions of every one of his shows on his website, and I recommend you do as they are immensely entertaining. Everybody knows about Merzbow, John Wiese is another contender, and there are lots of others that I don't know about because I'm not into noise. I might even say some Peter Brotzmann (Machine Gun) would make the cut, although he's usually acoustic so it's not quite the same since there's no feedback. AMMMusic might fit the bill as more brutal amplification of instruments, rather than staple guns, but I don't own it so I can't say for sure. Otomo Yoshide has gone ambient in his later days, but I always liked posting this one for shock value, and I think it may have more feedback than Leng Tch'e since Leng Tch'e is bound by the ideals of sludge metal.
 
 
I'm pretty new to this kind of thing, so those are essentially all new names to me. That clip was entertaining I guess. It's more interesting (and presumably less expensive) than some of the 10 minute Neil Young feedback solos I've endured.
 
 
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Points: 5208 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2010 at 13:46
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEFHkqLfKiI
 
Actually watching it makes it seem just stupid.
It's just 2 deep 4 u. :P
 
It may be over or under or around the bend of my head. I've been listening to some post-metal lately and so listening to the Naked City song was still within my realm of understanding. I could still get it in some sense. I certainly didn't enjoy it, but...
 
Watching those guys scream took away from it for me.
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Thanks for the new music people!
Trendsetter win!

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Points: 1601 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2010 at 14:24
I like the noise aspect of it, but really don't like the vocals.  However I only sampled a small section of it, so it's not a very valid opinion.
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All Animal Collective albums give me an excrutiating headache, not sure that counts as horrendous.
Bigger on the inside.
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Points: 1305 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2010 at 23:21
The most horrendous music I've ever heard would probably be something by Trent Garnder. I don't think I could pick a specific song, but "Why Water Weeds?" would definitely be up there.

I think I'd rather listen to someone get their skin peeled off than sit through a whole Magellan album.
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Quite a few contenders here:

Lou Reed Metal Machine Music
John Zorn Spy v Spy
John Lennon - Sometime In New York City
Captain Beefheart - Mirror Man
Anybody - Ambient (any old sh*t through a big reverb)
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Quite a few contenders here:

Lou Reed Metal Machine Music

Oh please. That album is easy listening compared to stuff like Merzbow. I put Metal Machine Music on for my dad once and his only complaint was that Lou wasn't singing.

And even the most hardcore noise music is pleasant compared to "Gorilla With A Pitchfork".
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I'm a HUGE John Zorn fan, and even I don't like what I've heard of Naked City (except for the s/t, which is actually a Zorn release - contrary to what our database currently suggests).

I can't think of anything worse than what's been mentioned, but I'm pretty hard to offend. I actually highly enjoy Spy vs. Spy, and would imagine some of John Zorn's other stuff would be worse. (Classic Guide to strategy, etc.)


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Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Quite a few contenders here:

Lou Reed Metal Machine Music

Oh please. That album is easy listening compared to stuff like Merzbow. I put Metal Machine Music on for my dad once and his only complaint was that Lou wasn't singing.

And even the most hardcore noise music is pleasant compared to "Gorilla With A Pitchfork".


I wasn't aware that music capable of putting your aesthetic sensibilities through a blender had become an Olympic event.Wink
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