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    Posted: April 15 2010 at 18:18

  Here's my current rough draft of my Timeline of Progressive Rock. If I were banished to a Desert
     Island, and could only take a hundred or so titles, this is what I would listen to. Or if it were 1971
     again, these are the albums I would buy (if only I knew then what I know now !)

  1969

       YES  (first album)
     IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING
      STAND UP (Jethro Tull)
      UMMAGUMMA
     
  1970

   MAY    BENEFIT  (Jethro Tull)
   JUN
   JUL    TIME AND A WORD
   AUG
   SEP
   OCT   TRESPASS
   NOV   EMERSON, LAKE AND PALMER (1st album)
   DEC  

  1971

   JAN
   FEB
   MAR   THE YES ALBUM  (# 7 UK)
   APR   AQUALUNG    (#7 US / #4 UK)
   MAY   IN THE LAND OF GREY AND PINK  (Caravan)
   JUN   TARKUS  (#9 US / #1 UK)   (FIRST PROG ALBUM TO GO #1 ?)
   JUL   
   AUG   ACQUIRING THE TASTE  (Gentle Giant)
   SEP  
   OCT   PAWN HEARTS  (van der graaf generator)
              MOVING WAVES  (Focus)
   NOV   NURSERY CRYME  (#39 UK)
              PICTURES AT AN EXHIBITION  (#10 US / #2  UK)
   DEC  THE INNER MOUNTING FLAME (Mahishnu Orchestra)
              MEDDLE

   1972  (the "golden age" of prog begins !)

   JAN    FRAGILE  (#7 UK / #4  US)
   FEB    STORIA DI UN MINUTO  (PFM)
   MAR   BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO  (these dates for the italians are just "estimates" !)
   APR   THICK AS A BRICK  (#1 US / #5 UK.......FIRST PROG ALBUM TO HIT #1 IN US)
   MAY   
   JUN    SPACE SHANTY  (Khan, featuring Steve Hillage)
               UOMO DI PEZZA  (Le Orme)
   JUL    LIVING IN THE PAST  (#3 US / #8 UK)
               TRILOGY  (#5 US / #2 UK)
   AUG
   SEP    CLOSE TO THE EDGE (#3 US / #4 UK)
               PER UN AMICO  (PFM)
   OCT    FOXTROT  (#12 UK)
   NOV    DARWIN !   (Banco del Mutuo Soccorso)
   DEC    OCTOPUS  (Gentle Giant)
                FOCUS 3
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         that's it for now.....i've completed this timeline up to 1975. will stop here, though to get feedback.
              .......this to me is close to the "epicenter" of classic prog.  Especially Sep/OCT '72 when
                       both CLOSE TO THE EDGE and FOXTROT were released within a month of each
                       other !  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2010 at 19:22
I would start from 1967, so the likes of the Nice, Procol Harum, and a couple of others could be on the list..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2010 at 19:35
I don't understand this project. Normally desert islands don't allow "only 100 or so". It's easy to put albums in chronological order, it's a lot tougher to name the importance of albums based on when they were released and the events that made them important to the scene.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2010 at 03:04
What about Soft Machine, the VdGG debut, the Magma debut, the Gentle Giant debut, etc..?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2010 at 09:41
Nice list but so many definitive albums are missing - i have spent a long time researching and making prog polls on each of the prog years here, and it takes some effort to come up with 15 or 10 albums per year but it is possible.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2010 at 11:11
 
 
        What about Soft Machine, the VdGG debut, the Magma debut, the Gentle Giant debut, etc ?
 
 
                  If you think those are all essential, I'll put them in !  My current Timeline doesn't have any
                Van Der Graaf albums until PAWN HEARTS, but I know there are a lot of VdGG fans on
                 here, so I should probably include more. As for the others you mentioned, I have
                       SOFT MACHINE ""Third", and I think the first Magma album I have listed is
                 "Mekanik Destructiw Kommandoh". You really think Gentle Giant's debut is essential
                 to the early lineage ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2010 at 11:15
  Nice list but so many definitive albums are missing - i have spent a long time researching and making prog polls on each of the prog years here, and it takes some effort to come up with 15 or 10 albums per year but it is possible.
  
       Do you agree with the above post to include Magma (debut), Soft Machine (debut),
             and VdGG ?  (btw, most of my release dates are from "Strawberry Brick's Guide to
             Progressive Rock", I'm going on faith that they are mostly accurate)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2010 at 11:28
    I don't understand this project. Normally desert islands don't allow "only 100 or so". It's easy to put albums in chronological order, it's a lot tougher to name the importance of albums based on when they were released and the events that made them important to the scene. 
 
               ........good point......and the "events that made them important to the scene" had to do
                    with popularity and visibility in the public's eye. The debut albums by Magma, Soft Machine, 
                    Gentle Giant, and VdGG had little or no visibility at the time of their release (especially
                     in the States), which is probably why I didn't include them. I think this timeline is meant
                   to be somewhat of a compromise between a History Project (focusing on historical
                    relevance at the time), and a critical appraisal of the essential albums to the develop-
                    ment of the genre. The debuts by Magma and Soft Machine are essential in retrospect,
                    but from a historical perspective of how prog evolved they aren't so important, because
                      hardly anyone knew of them at the time they were released.
 
                               Thanks for the feedback, though. The main question, is whether people are
                          interested in this thing (regardless of which albums are included) ? I thought
                        it would be nice to have something like this on the PROG MUSIC GUIDES link,
                        for new listeners, but I won't pursue it if people think it's a dumb idea.
 
                           
                     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2010 at 11:32
Originally posted by carlmarx38 carlmarx38 wrote:

  Nice list but so many definitive albums are missing - i have spent a long time researching and making prog polls on each of the prog years here, and it takes some effort to come up with 15 or 10 albums per year but it is possible.
  
       Do you agree with the above post to include Magma (debut), Soft Machine (debut),
             and VdGG ?  (btw, most of my release dates are from "Strawberry Brick's Guide to
             Progressive Rock", I'm going on faith that they are mostly accurate)
Yeah include those definitive albums on your list. Check the polls too if you need help as I used Strawberry Guide too, but the PA have a better guide also. I would include the debut albums of all the eclectic bands that began the genre.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2010 at 12:35
Originally posted by carlmarx38 carlmarx38 wrote:



        What about Soft Machine,the VdGG debut, the Magma debut, the Gentle Giant debut, etc ?



                  If you think those are all essential, I'll put them in ! My current Timeline doesn't have any

               Van Der Graaf albums until PAWN HEARTS, but I know there are a lot of VdGG fans on

               here, so I should probably include more.As for the others you mentioned, I have

                      SOFT MACHINE ""Third", and I think the first Magma album I have listed is

                 "Mekanik Destructiw Kommandoh". You really think Gentle Giant's debut is essential

                 to the early lineage ?



If there's no limit, I'd call the first THREE Soft Machine albums essential. If I could have only one, I'd go for VOLUME TWO. In my view, "Rivmic Melodies", the suite on its original A-side, is the best thing the band ever did, together with "Moon in June" and the "Love Makes Sweet Music"/"Feelin Reelin Squeelin" single.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2010 at 12:47
   
       Do you agree with the above post to include Magma (debut), Soft Machine (debut),
             and VdGG ?

      Yeah include those definitive albums on your list. Check the polls too if you need help as I used Strawberry Guide too, but the PA have a better guide also. I would include the debut albums of all the eclectic bands that began the genre.

            check out my other blog entitled "Genesis of prog Rock : when did it all begin ?" In which I
           am exploring the myth of whether "Court of the Crimson King" was the first "true" prog album.
                 I made a short list of albums there : PROCOL HARUM, PIPER AT THE GATES OF DAWN,
                  DAYS OF FUTURE PASSED, early Zappa/ Mothers, CARAVAN, and SOFT MACHINE.

              (This Timeline thing is sort of connected to that blog, as I wrote both of them at the same
                 time, more or less ).

                 Let me know if you can help with the historical perspective, as I would really like to
           develop this idea further, (either on or off the Forum pages).  I'm American, and don't have
            much sense of what it was like for prog fans who were there at the time (1969-71).
                  How many early prog fans knew about the Canturberry scene when Caravan/ Soft
              Machine first started ?  Did Magma, Gentle Giant, etc., have any visibility when their
                debuts first came out ? (they sure weren't on the charts, as far as I know).      
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2010 at 12:33
I do understand their influence on the progressive scene might be have been little in 1970, but the influence of the debut of Gentle Giant, Magma and some others have grown over the year perhaps. Futhermore good prog doesn't have to be influential to be essential IMHO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2010 at 22:25
Excuse me, but wasn't Sgt. Pepper one of the first progressive albums?  Surely it should get an honorable mention.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2010 at 22:48
Not more of this Sgt Pepper is prog rock stuff.  Just because it's a concept album?  Piper at the Gates of Dawn was recorded on the same dates as Sgt Pepper and is at least 10 times as progressive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2010 at 11:28
Originally posted by himtroy himtroy wrote:

Not more of this Sgt Pepper is prog rock stuff.  Just because it's a concept album?  Piper at the Gates of Dawn was recorded on the same dates as Sgt Pepper and is at least 10 times as progressive.
Piper is pure psychedelic.  Prog elements don't show up until Saucer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2010 at 20:12
How about Frank Zappa's Freak Out! from '66. It was the first concept album in rock music and influenced the Beatles to make Sgt Pepper!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2010 at 20:27
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

Originally posted by himtroy himtroy wrote:

Not more of this Sgt Pepper is prog rock stuff.  Just because it's a concept album?  Piper at the Gates of Dawn was recorded on the same dates as Sgt Pepper and is at least 10 times as progressive.
Piper is pure psychedelic.  Prog elements don't show up until Saucer.
 
I disagree, and these are the points:
 
"At the time The Piper at the Gates of Dawn was originally released in 1967, it was one among many aurally ripped, acid-tripped albums including Jimi Hendrix's Are You Experienced, Cream's Disraeli Gears, Jefferson Airplane's After Bathing at Baxter's, and, of course, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, which the Beatles were recording down the hall from Pink Floyd at Abbey Road. But as those albums have gracefully slipped into the mainstream of our music consciousness, Piper, along with The Velvet Underground and Nico, still sounds like it broke through from another dimension. Pink Floyd were employing musique concrete techniques, inventing glissando guitar, and exploring areas of trance with tunes like "Interstellar Overdrive," actually two takes of an extended rave-up laid on top of each other. Mixing sci-fi imagery with swinging London metaphors and pastoral fantasies (the title is lifted from The Wind in the Willows), Pink Floyd's music was even more dappled, swirled, and surreal than the light shows that accompanied their performances. Piper represented Syd Barrett's vision as the sole composer of all but three songs. He was yet to have his acid-induced meltdowns, and all things were possible and beautiful. Barrett mixed whimsy on "Bike" with cynicism on the wordless but ominous "Pow R. Toc H."; goofy innocence on "The Gnome" and mysticism on "Chapter 24." But there's no doubting the contributions of Richard Wright with his swirling, reverb-drenched organ fugues and jazz ellipses and Roger Waters's earth-rooted bass. Nick Mason's underrated drumming, time-shifting polyrhythms, and colorful flourishes pushed Barrett's elliptical pop even further over the edge, especially on the space-music opus "Astronomy Domine."  --John Diliberto
 
It was not any psychedelic rock album, it was an innovative one thus making it highly influential and even progressive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2010 at 13:06

Frankly, most of those are reasons to consider Piper psychedelic.  Sorry.  Prog elements start showing up on Saucer and get max expresssion on AHM.  Even considering that, Floyd's brand of prog is quite different from what most prog bands were doing.

Which isn't to say that Piper isn't a kickass album.  It just isn't prog. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2010 at 19:50
Hi,
 
Ummagumma is not 1969 I don't think.
 
And this has got to be the weirdest discussion I have ever seen in this board. Also th emost incomplete and off key that I have ever seen.
 
If I was any of those musicians I would be embarassed to even be associated with this!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2010 at 17:14
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

Frankly, most of those are reasons to consider Piper psychedelic.  Sorry.  Prog elements start showing up on Saucer and get max expresssion on AHM.  Even considering that, Floyd's brand of prog is quite different from what most prog bands were doing.

Which isn't to say that Piper isn't a kickass album.  It just isn't prog. 
 
It's not prog, though it is progressive and innovative thus highly influential for the evolution of rock music to prog rock.
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