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    Posted: May 17 2010 at 22:35
Which one of these Prog classics do you like better? "Close to the Edge" by Yes, or "Supper's Ready" by Genesis? Hands down, my vote goes to CTTE. Even though I love Genesis more, I have to admit that "Supper's Ready" is inferior to CTTE for the following reasons:

1. CTTE just has more memorable sections and better melodies. Supper's Ready can get kind of boring and some of the melodies aren't that interesting.

2. CTTE feels like one long song... the different sections flow together really well and the lyrics from the different sections are all related to eachother. Meanwhile, "Supper's Ready" just feels like a bunch of different songs put into one long track. Some of the sections seem out of place (like Willow Farm). I really wouldn't consider "Supper's Ready" as being a song... it's more like a suite/mini-rock opera.

Also, I think the first part of CTTE, with that intense dramatic rock section, is maybe Yes's finest musical moment. Raises the hair on my neck when I hear it. "Supper's Ready" doesn't have even one section that comes close to the brilliance in that part. Honestly, I can't really understand why so many people love "Supper's Ready". It's not even in my top 15 for favorite Genesis songs. So many other songs of theirs are much much better: The Knife, The Musical Box, Watcher of the Skies, Return of the Giant Hogweed, White Mountain, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight, Firth of Fifth, Fountain of Salmacis, Looking For Someone, Get Em Out by Friday, etc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2010 at 22:46
Siberian Khatru > CTTE
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2010 at 22:48
I'd agree with you completely.  Close to the Edge takes precedence over Supper's Ready 9 times out of 10 in my book.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2010 at 22:54

Nothing in Close to the Edge compares remotely to Apocalypse in 9/), specially because it's a work of all the band, Hackett, Banks, Rutherford and Collins give one of the most memorable moments in Prog.

If this wasn't enough, the vocal section in Lover's Leap is just perfect
 
While the CttE solo by Wakeman is spectacular, it's a solo work, while Supper's Ready is a complete team work and simply breathtaking.
 
So Supper's Ready takes precedence over Close to the Edge, 10 out of 10 times in my book. Wink
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2010 at 22:54
The classic battle that never ends: CttE vs. SR

After a couple years of classical training and music history in college, I still regard Close to the Edge as among the finest achievements in all of twentieth century music, along with Stravinsky's Rite of Spring and John Coltrane's A Love Supreme. Foxtrot is just a really F-ing good album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2010 at 23:10
I think CttE is more exciting, but Supper is better composed. CttE has really loud, and really soft sections, but Supper just kind of flows throughout (with the exception of Willow Farm)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2010 at 23:13
In my humble opinion, Supper's Ready by a mile. To be honest, I never really "got" Close to the Edge. I always thought it was a fairly repetitive and uninteresting song. Supper's Ready, on the other hand, I find extremely powerful, beautiful and engaging.

Merely my opinion, of course; perhaps I'm just missing something. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2010 at 23:49
The lyrics of Supper's Ready are sublime. Just ask Bill Bruford about the lyrics of Close to the Edge. What was the exact quote? Something about when he heard the words "total mass retain", he decided it was time to quit...  Hate to say it, but I haven't listened to that track in many years.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2010 at 23:51
Supper's Ready easily. I used to skip the entire album just for that song. I can't say I've done the same for CttE, in fact I have skipped it more than once.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2010 at 00:48
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Nothing in Close to the Edge compares remotely to Apocalypse in 9/), specially because it's a work of all the band, Hackett, Banks, Rutherford and Collins give one of the most memorable moments in Prog.

If this wasn't enough, the vocal section in Lover's Leap is just perfect
 
While the CttE solo by Wakeman is spectacular, it's a solo work, while Supper's Ready is a complete team work and simply breathtaking.
 
So Supper's Ready takes precedence over Close to the Edge, 10 out of 10 times in my book. Wink
 
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Actually, from what I've heard Apocalypse was just kind of a jam between Tony, Mike and Phil that they laid to track. Peter then worked the vocals in around it and Steve came in and doubled Mike's part.

It's a tough call. Overall, I love Supper's Ready, but I find parts 2 and 3 of it to be rather forgettable. I am a huge fan of Steve but I've got to say that his solo (and really his playing on the song overall, apart from that bit between Willow Farm and Apocalypse) was pretty lackluster. Not his shining moment.

On the other hand, CTTE is strong all the way through, from the ripping intensity of the intro through to the ethereal power of I Get Up, there's a lot in there.

I love how both songs have very excellent and subtle examples of polyrhythmic playing. They don't beat people over the head with the contrasting time signatures the way some tech metal bands seem to. It actually took me a lot of listens before I realized that in Apocalypse, Tony was playing in 4/4 against the band's 9/8 (granted, I would've been around 12 or 13 when I first heard it and wouldn't have even known what polyrhythms were, but still). The mixed time signatures in CTTE took me by surprise too. My stomach still kind of churns if I listen to them too hard.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2010 at 00:50
I prefer the greater sense of unity that comes with Close to the Edge.  Supper's Ready, great as it is, is kind of a patchwork.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2010 at 01:02
I regard Suppers Ready as the best prog track ever recorded. The Apocalypse section is amazing (Marillions' pale imititation Grendel was once described famously as apocalypse in four four) but also emotionally involving which is a rarity in prog. Almost brings me to tears.The whole work is really a build up to this section (based loosely on the Book of Revelations).
 
Close To The Edge I regard as the best out and out prog album ever. No one peice(or musician) dominates and  a superb example of ensemble prog.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2010 at 02:50
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I regard Suppers Ready as the best prog track ever recorded. The Apocalypse section is amazing (Marillions' pale imititation Grendel was once described famously as apocalypse in four four) but also emotionally involving which is a rarity in prog. Almost brings me to tears.The whole work is really a build up to this section (based loosely on the Book of Revelations).
 
Close To The Edge I regard as the best out and out prog album ever. No one peice(or musician) dominates and  a superb example of ensemble prog.
 
I agree, I love CttE but the spine tingling, hair raising moments are all in Suppers Ready for me... It also contains my fave bit of prog ('I know a farmer...' etc).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2010 at 03:31
Really difficult to pick one when the choice is among 2 of the finest pieces of prog ever, I love them both but if forced to choose I would pick SR.
CTTE is more rock-based while SR fits more the definition of symphonic prog as combining elements from classical music. The acoustic guitars parts of SR are wonderfully crafted and have no replica in CTTE, even if Steve's guitar work is amazing, but in a clearly more rock-jazz style.
The flute is SR also contributes to giving it a more classical sound.
I agree tough that SR is not one of Steve's best works with the electric guitar.
 
Rick's solo in CTTE is very spectacular but it is musically less intersting than Tony's one in Apocalypse.
On the other hand, while the bass of Mike in SR is great, it pales next to the stunning work of Chris in CTTE.
 
Both pieces have great use of polyrythms, great building to climax and excellent endings, although in my opinion As Sure as Eggs is Eggs does a better job at wrapping up the theme than Seasons of Man does.
 
In the area of lyrics there's no discussion possible, SR is the winner by miles, but as performance of the singers I think we have a draw, with both Peter and Jon singing wonderfully, and CTTE has better backing vocals by Chris than SR does by Phil.
 
Regarding drumming both are excellent but the more rocking nature of CTTE gives more room to shine, and Bill's drumming is more exciting than Phil's.
 
All in all I think SR fits more the bill for my taste but I absolutely love CTTE as well !
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2010 at 07:12
Close to the Edge, but not by much. Although I feel that Peter is a better overall lyricist than Jon, I guess the music on the Yes track moves me more.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2010 at 07:33
The funny thing about these two is other than being LP side length songs they really couldn't be more different.  I like Supper's Ready better for it's drama and being jam packed with changes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2010 at 10:12
I think both are perfect three star albums, Close to the Edge perhaps four if it had been recorded properly. I never understood the fuzz about these albums, it seems to me people like it so much because everybody else does.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2010 at 10:12
Originally posted by KingCrimson250 KingCrimson250 wrote:



Actually, from what I've heard Apocalypse was just kind of a jam between Tony, Mike and Phil that they laid to track. Peter then worked the vocals in around it and Steve came in and doubled Mike's part.

It's a tough call. Overall, I love Supper's Ready, but I find parts 2 and 3 of it to be rather forgettable. I am a huge fan of Steve but I've got to say that his solo (and really his playing on the song overall, apart from that bit between Willow Farm and Apocalypse) was pretty lackluster. Not his shining moment.
 
Jamming?
 
Apocalypse in 9/8 is one ofthe best structured sections, trying something unusual in Genesis. Tony does an complex semi solo, in 4/4 while the rest of the band ytakes the place of an extended rhythm section with Steve playing the parts of the bass, it's wonderful for those who say that Tony never made solos, but even then, the solo is supported by a strong work of the band.

Originally posted by KingCrimson250 KingCrimson250 wrote:

]On the other hand, CTTE is strong all the way through, from the ripping intensity of the intro through to the ethereal power of I Get Up, there's a lot in there.
 
That's where my problem is, I can't stand Jon's acute voice, it's like a drill destroting my eardrums, but it's even worst whe he gets into his mystical eytasis, it's simply disgusting FOR ME

Originally posted by KingCrimson250 KingCrimson250 wrote:

I love how both songs have very excellent and subtle examples of polyrhythmic playing. They don't beat people over the head with the contrasting time signatures the way some tech metal bands seem to. It actually took me a lot of listens before I realized that in Apocalypse, Tony was playing in 4/4 against the band's 9/8 (granted, I would've been around 12 or 13 when I first heard it and wouldn't have even known what polyrhythms were, but still). The mixed time signatures in CTTE took me by surprise too. My stomach still kind of churns if I listen to them too hard.
 
I like Close to the Edge complex INSTRUMENTAL entrance and Wakeman's solo, but the rest is too acute for me, while I enjoy Apocalypse in 9/8 from start to end.
 
Still the two albums deserve 5 stars.
 
Iván 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2010 at 10:22
I see Close to the Edge as the all-time prog masterpiece album. However, this one goes for the album, not for the individual tracks. Both Close to the Edge and Supper's Ready are masterpiece tracks with a memorable section in it (I Get Up, I Get Down vs. Apocalypse in 9/8), but if it comes to choosing, I have a slight preference for Supper's Ready.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2010 at 10:34
Supper's Ready because of what Ivan has been saying, I never did see what all the hype was about with CttE. 
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