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    Posted: April 28 2017 at 07:19
I also like the 2xLP Searching For A Land
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Originally posted by Juan K Juan K wrote:

Hello, though I have been reading these pages for what it seems forever, I am new to the forums.

As a dedicated prog fan I have some Italian prog albums, and I bring a question over here:

NEW TROLLS

Well, the thing is, I am from Spain, and I remember as a kid (80's) that this band appeared in TV shows and were - at the time - a pop band. As a side note, in the 80's Italian pop music was big in Spain and most Italian artists made Spanish versions of their albums, and many of them are still popular over here.

Righ, coming back to my question: New Trolls, worth a listen? which albums?

I don't know all of the New Trolls material, but I rather like their "UT" album.
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Oh ok, I also was doing some research and realized that the band and their discography are a bit nightmarish to follow, with splits, legal battles about the name and so on.

I will start with Concerto Grosso and Tempi Dispari, thanks.
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Aah I forgot to mention that the band had changed their name by that point. Tempi Dispari is on Prog Archives just under the moniker New Trolls Atomic System.
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My tastes in music ... ufff ... (lol !) I don't put fences to my tastes, in my record collecion you can find anything from Abba to ZZ Top, with a good chunk dedicated to prog ... in fact in the last two years I have been listening to almost non stop only prog albums. My favourites since I was a teen are Yes, but I love current bands too (most of them from Scandinavia).

Weird you recommend Tempi Dispari, a friend that just have emailed me also recommends the same album ... and weird too that this album is NOT in progarchives database !!! why ?
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^It really depends on what you're looking for in music. The Trolls have different phases to their career but started out as one of the earliest Italian prog bands. Concerto Grosso their most acclamed album and of course also the one most folks go to...but to me personally it has always sounded way too cheesy for it's own good. I much prefer the later incarnation of New Trolls that made Tempi Dispari - an album that has more in common with fusion and space rock though.
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Hello, though I have been reading these pages for what it seems forever, I am new to the forums.

As a dedicated prog fan I have some Italian prog albums, and I bring a question over here:

NEW TROLLS

Well, the thing is, I am from Spain, and I remember as a kid (80's) that this band appeared in TV shows and were - at the time - a pop band. As a side note, in the 80's Italian pop music was big in Spain and most Italian artists made Spanish versions of their albums, and many of them are still popular over here.

Righ, coming back to my question: New Trolls, worth a listen? which albums?
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Ha ha yes I know, it's on the way right now. I don't have my hopes up really, I just hope it's a good album, I don't expect more than that.
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Sag, wake up  !

Résultat de recherche dimages pour "maxophone la fabbrica"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfVERma3rNE&list=PLxq0NvHXVd_C4SczUKY3J8XbjJvIoCAES
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2017 at 10:47
oh yeah..... to all our Italian friends LOL



First bit of Italian I learned
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^Great music, strange clip lol
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First single from their upcoming album Thumbs Up

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It's actually been a lot of fun, and very gratifying once I find a pressing that I am in love with! 
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:


Thanks Todd! What an outstanding answer.   I appreciate the time and thought you put into my inquiry.
I will check your recommendation out. 

Ha! See, didn't I tell you Todd would likely be able to give you specific answers to help with your question?!    
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Thanks Todd! What an outstanding answer.   I appreciate the time and thought you put into my inquiry.
I will check your recommendation out. 
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Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Oh no! It's the self-titled Finisterre debut from 1995!

I have struggled to fall in love with that band. I'll give it another try.
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As I see it, the problem with "audiophile" recommendations is similar to the problem of any music recommendations in general--they are entirely subjective! So I've learned whom to trust with regard to both. I have sorted through various recordings, generally both multiple CD versions and various vinyl rips (which in turn are dependent upon the inherent sound of the issue, the condition, and the rig of the ripper...), and I have learned what I prefer. Then I have found those with similar audio preferences and have sought their recommendations (Jeff Carney has never steered me wrong in the audiophile realm). In like manner, I have learned that there are some reviewers and site members whose tastes approach mine in a particular facet of prog. (Side note: DR values may have their place, IMO, but are not definitive.)

So before I recommend my favorite version of Zarathustra, I need to explain that I prefer a natural, maybe even flat sound, with little processing or boosting and no noise reduction. So initial vinyl pressings are usually best, and early CD issues are often best or close to it. But not always! 

For Zarathustra, I currently own or have listened to the following CD versions:
1987 Nexus K32Y 2117 / 1993 Crime KICP 2710 (they are the same pressing)
1990 Contempo CONTEDISC004
1997 BMG/Ricordi 74321531842
2003 Japan BMG mini BVCM-37425

As well as a rip of LP reissue 2009 Sony 88697428191

Of all of these, my favorite is the Nexus / Crime version. Great dynamic range, no noise reduction, not much boosting.

I have found that the first Mellow/Philips pressings to be the very best sounding (Jumbo, Balletto di Bronzo, Maxophone, etc). The early Japanese issues on Nexus/Crime/King/Edison/Seven Seas almost always have great sound--again, according to my criteria. The early Mellow and Vinyl Magic versions are generally very good too. Even the BTF mini issues are generally very good sounding. As a rule, even though the packaging is the best, the Japanese minis do not have very good sound, except for the 2003 Arcangelo series and the recent Belle Antique version of the Biglietto per l'Inferno debut (which is a new vinyl rip).

If you find that your audio tastes are similar to mine, I am always willing to share my favorite versions.

Edit: Please note that the first Mellow/Philips pressings are different from the early Mellow pressings!



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