Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - The Italian Prog Appreciation den
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

The Italian Prog Appreciation den

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 5758596061 358>
Author
Message
 Rating: Topic Rating: 1 Votes, Average 5.00  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Guldbamsen View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin

Joined: January 22 2009
Location: Magic Theatre
Status: Offline
Points: 23098
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guldbamsen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 04 2011 at 11:11
I´m gonna go and get that Battiato record - well somehow I knew that even before I asked you guysLOL, funny how some things work. I´ve repeatedly tried convincing myself that I really don´t need to buy new music - I have oceans of it already, but no no - I NEED MORE it screams from the back of my brain!.
Anyway thanks for the advice people, and John, the day I part with bacon hell freezes over and I´ll be married to a Samoan fascist called Perrier (pronounced like the drink).
“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”

- Douglas Adams
Back to Top
Mellotron Storm View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: August 27 2006
Location: The Beach
Status: Offline
Points: 12946
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mellotron Storm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 04 2011 at 23:01
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I´m gonna go and get that Battiato record - well somehow I knew that even before I asked you guysLOL, funny how some things work. I´ve repeatedly tried convincing myself that I really don´t need to buy new music - I have oceans of it already, but no no - I NEED MORE it screams from the back of my brain!.
Anyway thanks for the advice people, and John, the day I part with bacon hell freezes over and I´ll be married to a Samoan fascist called Perrier (pronounced like the drink).
LOLLOL
"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"

"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
Back to Top
hellogoodbye View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP member

Joined: August 29 2011
Location: Troy
Status: Offline
Points: 7251
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hellogoodbye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2011 at 13:17
After a year in RPI, my first Top Ten list :
 
Banco del mutuo soccorsa . Same.
PFM . L'Isola Di Niente
Delirium . Delirium III
Le Orme  . Contrapunti
Quella Vecchia Locanda . Il Tempo Della Goia
Samadhi . Same
Cervello . Melos
Blocco Mentale . Hoa
Stefano Testa . Una Vita, Una Balena Bianca E Altre Cose
Toto Torquati . Gli Occhi Di Un Bambino
Back to Top
Finnforest View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: February 03 2007
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 16913
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2011 at 14:42
All great stuff there Mr. Duck!  Clap

Back to Top
Finnforest View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: February 03 2007
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 16913
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2011 at 14:43
Guldie, I have a feeling you might enjoy this title if you can find a copy....not essential, but interesting
 
 
 Tutto Deve Finire by SECONDA GENESI, LA album cover Studio Album, 1972
3.00 | 10 ratings

BUY
Tutto Deve Finire
La Seconda Genesi Rock Progressivo Italiano

Review by Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / RPI Specialist

3 stars The cover art gives a good hint of the personality

This group from Rome has a history dating back to the early 1960s when the first incarnation of Paride De Carli and Pier Carlo Leoni were known as The Happy Boys. In the mid 60s they played for The Peppermint Group before forming I Mhanas around 1969. This group had the experience of becoming a cruise ship band and they entertained people aboard the Flavia Costa for a couple years in the Caribbean. This was a really great learning experience because they would often have to quickly learn new sets depending on what port they were sailing to. After a few years they returned to Italy and sensed the change in the air around 1971. Seconda Genesi formed around this time with Alberto Rocchetti coming from a band called Rokketti. They rehearsed for several weeks in a church basement before quickly recording "Tutto Deve Finire" in just four sessions. Released on a small label named Picci, the LP had a series of custom different colored covers, which combined with the small pressing of just a couple hundred meant that the vinyl version became an expensive collectors item. Not that this translated into success for Seconda of course, they were just another of the many great Italian one-shots to release a fine album and split up during Italy's turbulent classic progressive era. They did manage to perform at several of the big festivals including Villa Pamphili and later Civitavecchia in 1975. They also performed on the albums of other artists on the Picci label. It appears they split around this time of 1975.

Musically this album is a gem and in spirit reminds me of Paese dei Balocchi even thought they have a different sound. They remind me of Paese because while possessing typical RPI charm it has a very independent streak and an unpredictable nature. The album leads off with some wild and weird jazz flavored craziness. A saxophone lost in a fog of swirled guitar and percussion make this sound like Maudlin of the Well at times. Slowly the lead guitar takes over and things get more "normal" for the rest of the first track, before "L'urlo" really blows the mind. A truly relentless, repetitive rhythm that drives one insane with a bullying sax solo over the top of it. But from this point on the album will morph and many have commented on the differing styles from beginning to end. Dropping the somewhat cerebral opening the band moves into a hard rock/heavy prog atmosphere of riffs and Tullish flute embellishments with wonderful Italian vocals and good lead guitar. The bass and drums are stellar too, these guys were all decent players. By the end of the first side the Hammond has made an appearance as well. Side 2 opened with the longest track at 8 minutes, a nicely constructed pillar of acoustic guitar and organ getting louder, with some blistering flute standing atop, then a break for the melodic male vocal. Very nice track. More curve balls follow with a very short classical guitar interlude and a nasty bar room piano jammer. Then, to complete this interesting but somewhat unfocused recording we are treated to a beautiful piece of soft, hazy, light-psych combined with romantic piano ballad. Scented Garden described the album as "interesting music, alternating between instrumental jazz-rock improvisations ala Soft Machine (fourth album), clasically-inclined heavy progressive in the Vanilla Fudge-school (introduced in Italy by The Trip and The New Trolls) and vocal songs similar to early Van Der Graaf Generator and the second Raw Material album."

Yet another classic RPI sound painting for those who approve of esoteric attempts at a little bit of this, and a little bit of that. Recommended easily to fans looking for a deep RPI collection though not the place to start.


Back to Top
Nightfly View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: August 01 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 3659
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nightfly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2011 at 15:09
Originally posted by hellogoodbye hellogoodbye wrote:

After a year in RPI, my first Top Ten list :
 
Banco del mutuo soccorsa . Same.
PFM . L'Isola Di Niente
Delirium . Delirium III
Le Orme  . Contrapunti
Quella Vecchia Locanda . Il Tempo Della Goia
Samadhi . Same
Cervello . Melos
Blocco Mentale . Hoa
Stefano Testa . Una Vita, Una Balena Bianca E Altre Cose
Toto Torquati . Gli Occhi Di Un Bambino

Some great choices there Pierre. Thumbs Up
Back to Top
hellogoodbye View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP member

Joined: August 29 2011
Location: Troy
Status: Offline
Points: 7251
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hellogoodbye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2011 at 15:58
Thanks !
 
And I could add ten or even twenty more pieces to my list. And that's the big surprise for me !  It never happened to me in any other genre ! Not so quickly ! Never !
 
Forza Italia !
Back to Top
Lizzy View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: March 15 2010
Location: Schnitzelland
Status: Offline
Points: 4675
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lizzy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2011 at 18:06
^Interesting list. That made me think of my of own RPI Top 10 (but after less than a year of intensely listening to it)

QVL - Both of them :D
Latte e Miele - Passio Secundum Mattheum (Papillon as well)
Alusa Fallax - Intorno Alla Mia Cattiva Educazione
Luciano Basso - Voci
New Trolls - Concerto Grosso (both)
Nouva Idea - Mr. E. Jones
Il Rovescio della Medaglia - Contaminazione
Campo di Marte - s/t
Bilglietto per L'inferno - s/t
Il Paese dei Balocchi -s/t


Property of Queen Productions...
Back to Top
hellogoodbye View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP member

Joined: August 29 2011
Location: Troy
Status: Offline
Points: 7251
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hellogoodbye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2011 at 20:14
Your list is OK.. Except New trolls, It could be mine too.
Back to Top
Finnforest View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: February 03 2007
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 16913
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2011 at 20:43
I love that list Lizzy!  I'm not huge on the Trolls either, but otherwise I love it.  Big smile

Back to Top
Mellotron Storm View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: August 27 2006
Location: The Beach
Status: Offline
Points: 12946
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mellotron Storm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2011 at 22:29
I've been taken captive by beauty tonight and her name is REALE ACCADEMIA DI MUSICA .That self-titled debut just melts me.Absolutley stunning.
"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"

"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
Back to Top
hellogoodbye View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP member

Joined: August 29 2011
Location: Troy
Status: Offline
Points: 7251
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hellogoodbye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2011 at 01:43
Yes, it's an excellent one ! But the CD is so expensive !
Back to Top
toroddfuglesteg View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
Retired

Joined: March 04 2008
Location: Retirement Home
Status: Offline
Points: 3658
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toroddfuglesteg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2011 at 07:47

Btw the country now called Italy is celebrating it's 150th anniversary as a country.

For those of you into making compilation tapes and CD-Rs, this is as good excuse as any to come up with a best off 75 minutes long RPI album.  

Post the track lists here. 



Edited by toroddfuglesteg - September 07 2011 at 07:48
Back to Top
dreadpirateroberts View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 27 2011
Location: AU
Status: Offline
Points: 952
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dreadpirateroberts Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2011 at 08:07
Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Btw the country now called Italy is celebrating it's 150th anniversary as a country.

For those of you into making compilation tapes and CD-Rs, this is as good excuse as any to come up with a best off 75 minutes long RPI album.  

Post the track lists here. 



Awesome idea, I'll need a day or so but!
We are men of action. Lies do not become us.
JazzMusicArchives.
Back to Top
hellogoodbye View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP member

Joined: August 29 2011
Location: Troy
Status: Offline
Points: 7251
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hellogoodbye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2011 at 10:16
Anyone knows somethingClown about these two albums ? They seem interesting.
 
Gramigna : Gran disordine sotto el cielo (1976)
 
 
Assemblea musicale teatrale : Dietro Le Sbarre (1976)
 
Back to Top
Guldbamsen View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin

Joined: January 22 2009
Location: Magic Theatre
Status: Offline
Points: 23098
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guldbamsen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2011 at 11:19
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Guldie, I have a feeling you might enjoy this title if you can find a copy....not essential, but interesting
 
 
 Tutto Deve Finire by SECONDA GENESI, LA album cover Studio Album, 1972
3.00 | 10 ratings

BUY
Tutto Deve Finire
La Seconda Genesi Rock Progressivo Italiano

Review by Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / RPI Specialist

3 stars The cover art gives a good hint of the personality

This group from Rome has a history dating back to the early 1960s when the first incarnation of Paride De Carli and Pier Carlo Leoni were known as The Happy Boys. In the mid 60s they played for The Peppermint Group before forming I Mhanas around 1969. This group had the experience of becoming a cruise ship band and they entertained people aboard the Flavia Costa for a couple years in the Caribbean. This was a really great learning experience because they would often have to quickly learn new sets depending on what port they were sailing to. After a few years they returned to Italy and sensed the change in the air around 1971. Seconda Genesi formed around this time with Alberto Rocchetti coming from a band called Rokketti. They rehearsed for several weeks in a church basement before quickly recording "Tutto Deve Finire" in just four sessions. Released on a small label named Picci, the LP had a series of custom different colored covers, which combined with the small pressing of just a couple hundred meant that the vinyl version became an expensive collectors item. Not that this translated into success for Seconda of course, they were just another of the many great Italian one-shots to release a fine album and split up during Italy's turbulent classic progressive era. They did manage to perform at several of the big festivals including Villa Pamphili and later Civitavecchia in 1975. They also performed on the albums of other artists on the Picci label. It appears they split around this time of 1975.

Musically this album is a gem and in spirit reminds me of Paese dei Balocchi even thought they have a different sound. They remind me of Paese because while possessing typical RPI charm it has a very independent streak and an unpredictable nature. The album leads off with some wild and weird jazz flavored craziness. A saxophone lost in a fog of swirled guitar and percussion make this sound like Maudlin of the Well at times. Slowly the lead guitar takes over and things get more "normal" for the rest of the first track, before "L'urlo" really blows the mind. A truly relentless, repetitive rhythm that drives one insane with a bullying sax solo over the top of it. But from this point on the album will morph and many have commented on the differing styles from beginning to end. Dropping the somewhat cerebral opening the band moves into a hard rock/heavy prog atmosphere of riffs and Tullish flute embellishments with wonderful Italian vocals and good lead guitar. The bass and drums are stellar too, these guys were all decent players. By the end of the first side the Hammond has made an appearance as well. Side 2 opened with the longest track at 8 minutes, a nicely constructed pillar of acoustic guitar and organ getting louder, with some blistering flute standing atop, then a break for the melodic male vocal. Very nice track. More curve balls follow with a very short classical guitar interlude and a nasty bar room piano jammer. Then, to complete this interesting but somewhat unfocused recording we are treated to a beautiful piece of soft, hazy, light-psych combined with romantic piano ballad. Scented Garden described the album as "interesting music, alternating between instrumental jazz-rock improvisations ala Soft Machine (fourth album), clasically-inclined heavy progressive in the Vanilla Fudge-school (introduced in Italy by The Trip and The New Trolls) and vocal songs similar to early Van Der Graaf Generator and the second Raw Material album."

Yet another classic RPI sound painting for those who approve of esoteric attempts at a little bit of this, and a little bit of that. Recommended easily to fans looking for a deep RPI collection though not the place to start.


This sounds right up my alley Jim, I´ll give you that. Now that I think of it -I´m pretty sure I´ve seen that cover in a store called ACCORD a couple of times this past month. LOL - I visit this place all the time, and I´ve never thought RPI when I saw the cover. You know the place - there´s oceans of cds and you just flip your way along, until you find something you´ve seen before..... I am such a fool!!!
Alright, if I´m right and they still got this album - I´m buying it first thing tomorrowBig smile If they don´t, I´m probably going to start throwing large objects aroundAngry 
Damn, and I thought that Battiato would be my only acquisition this month - I am far too frivolous with my dinerosEmbarrassed
Thanks for the rec, but you see what you´ve done now, right Jim? You have started a thing that I can´t stop...
“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”

- Douglas Adams
Back to Top
Finnforest View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: February 03 2007
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 16913
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2011 at 12:01
My job here is encouraging fiscal irresponsabilities....for the love of a good tuneLOL^

Back to Top
Guldbamsen View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin

Joined: January 22 2009
Location: Magic Theatre
Status: Offline
Points: 23098
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guldbamsen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2011 at 12:24
Maybe you do your job a little too well matey?

All kidding aside, I have to braise myself for the scenario, that it might not even the album I´m looking for. I am very good at setting my hopes up for things that usually don´t work out, - but then again - it´s a pretty original front to say the least, and I´m almost sure I´ve seen it!
 If I get it though, it will almost certainly turn out to be second hand, but who cares - I certainly don´tSmile.
“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”

- Douglas Adams
Back to Top
Nightfly View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: August 01 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 3659
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nightfly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2011 at 14:27
Originally posted by Lizzy Lizzy wrote:

^Interesting list. That made me think of my of own RPI Top 10 (but after less than a year of intensely listening to it)

QVL - Both of them :D
Latte e Miele - Passio Secundum Mattheum (Papillon as well)
Alusa Fallax - Intorno Alla Mia Cattiva Educazione
Luciano Basso - Voci
New Trolls - Concerto Grosso (both)
Nouva Idea - Mr. E. Jones
Il Rovescio della Medaglia - Contaminazione
Campo di Marte - s/t
Bilglietto per L'inferno - s/t
Il Paese dei Balocchi -s/t


 
That's a great list Lizzy. Biglietto Per L'Inferno would make my number one spot.
Back to Top
Todd View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
RPI / Heavy Prog Team

Joined: December 19 2007
Location: California
Status: Offline
Points: 3472
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Todd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2011 at 17:17
Seeing the lists by hellogoodbye and Lizzy reminds me just how deep RPI runs--there are so so so many great albums!  If I were to do my top ten, from their lists I'd have both QVL albums (I think that was the only band to make both of the above lists--interesting) and Biglietto per l'inferno.  Probably Campo di Marte, maybe RDM Contaminazione.  My Banco entry would be Darwin!, but I do love the debut.
 
All great albums!
"I have seen the broken sky turn blue."



My Gnosis Ratings

Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 5758596061 358>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 1.012 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.