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    Posted: October 21 2010 at 11:44
I like Coyote and find it a prog album in more or less the same sense I would associate with the 70s, which I am not usually able to say about modern prog. But I am not exactly crazy about it and it doesn't make the best case to explore them further for me. 
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Originally posted by Starhammer Starhammer wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Try some sleep deprivation spiced up with a never ending hardcore cocktail of Boney M, the Grease soundtrack and the wonderful "Fernando" by ABBA set to repeat. After that you will probably adore just about anything resembling a minute difference in your daily sonic adventures.

All at the same time?Pinch



That would probably do the trick tooBig smile
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Just look into Slarti's avatar eyes.....not only is that krapp creepy but it will make you like anything.....alakazamm!! Poof you now like Kayo Dot.!
 
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Try some sleep deprivation spiced up with a never ending hardcore cocktail of Boney M, the Grease soundtrack and the wonderful "Fernando" by ABBA set to repeat. After that you will probably adore just about anything resembling a minute difference in your daily sonic adventures.

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Try some sleep deprivation spiced up with a never ending hardcore cocktail of Boney M, the Grease soundtrack and the wonderful "Fernando" by ABBA set to repeat. After that you will probably adore just about anything resembling a minute difference in your daily sonic adventures.
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Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:


Someone make me like... or make ... interesting for me.  I'm guessing you're probably not lazy but could you people please make more interesting thread titles!!!!AngryLOL

No. Never.

Good answer. Tongue
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What appeals to me about Kayo Dot is their ability to create strong, unconventional melodies combined with the highly experimental approach to instrumentation, songwriting and harmonization.

Some of the so-called "noodly" bits of "Dowsing..." contain some of the most beautiful sounds captured on disc in my opinion, but even I need to be in a special mood to actually enjoy the Khanate-inspired second part of "___ On Limpid Form"

To "get" the weirder parts of Kayo Dot, I think it helps to have at least some acquaintance with "non-traditionally harmonic" modern and contemporary classical music, especially for smaller ensembles, to get a tolerance for bitonality and atonality. You should also brush up on some ambient, and (non-noisy) free-improvised jazz.

For me, the various influences and elements combine to a whole that is easily the most satisfying music I have come across yet.
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Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:


Someone make me like... or make ... interesting for me.  I'm guessing you're probably not lazy but could you people please make more interesting thread titles!!!!AngryLOL

No. Never.

Don't give in DT-PT LOL.

I haven't really loved Kayo Dot until lately... I re-listened to Choirs and Blue Lambency Downward and they're pretty awesome for me now, personally.  It has literally taken me about 15 listens each to really appreciate them... first, I didn't like them one bit and didn't at all see what the big fuss was; a few listens later I sort of started liking them but then stopped.  A few more listens and I started to get it, and now I really like them (I currently only have Choirs and BLD).  I think that after a lot of listens and memorization of the music, you'll start to like it a little bit, then a little more, than a little more, etc.

 Or: you just may never like it Confused... It's just dependent on your tastes and brain function.

...Now I want to listen to KD. Tongue
    
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:


Someone make me like... or make ... interesting for me.  I'm guessing you're probably not lazy but could you people please make more interesting thread titles!!!!AngryLOL

No. Never.
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The electrodes are on their way.

Not all who wander are lost.

I don't even know this music, but I'm pretty sure that your only choices are to get into them or someone else.  Give up on music altogether and listen to pop. LOL

Someone make me like... or make ... interesting for me.  I'm guessing you're probably not lazy but could you people please make more interesting thread titles!!!!AngryLOL


Edited by Slartibartfast - August 09 2010 at 21:15
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:



@Triceratopsoil: I hardly see the connexion between KD and the "kraut-rock" scene, since the 70's German experimental bands appear to me to be split between the "hypnotic/repetitive" bands (Neu!, Can...) and the "evolutive" bands (Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze - which are able to create long complex pieces) - not to talk about Amon Dl II and some free jazz-like stuff.



Just the fact that he said it doesn't seem to go anywhere

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Truth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2010 at 16:24
Can't really make you like anything... Could hold you at gunpoint and make you say you like it but that wouldn't be heartfelt.
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I like Blue Lambency Downward considerably, but would not expect others to like it (first clip I found to share from youtube)


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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Let me guess, you don't listen to a lot of post-rock or krautrock
I dont like either post rock or krautrock but I'm a huge KD fanboy.
 
A tolerance/liking for dissonance and liking of long, drawn out but non repetative build ups is a must for KD I've found, but it certainly wont be for everyone because of its jarring aspects.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Kayo Dot is either nightmare or idol. You can hate them or adore them. Nothing between it.
 
(Im in the first group.)
I'm between it.
OK, there is the third group yet, I forgot. Snow Dog&Co.
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Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Kayo Dot is either nightmare or idol. You can hate them or adore them. Nothing between it.
 
(Im in the first group.)
I'm between it.
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Kayo Dot is either nightmare or idol. You can hate them or adore them. Nothing between it.
 
(Im in the first group.)
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

You know, the fact that people here are praising an album left, right and centre does not mean there's something wrong with you if you don't like it. I tried for years to get into Dream Theater, to no avail - now I proudly admit to not getting them at all, even to people who worship them. We are all entitled to liking what we want, and no one should make us feel inferior because of that - no matter how many elitist snobs of every persuasion will try to put down your tastes (just ask those who like Neo-ProgWink).

VERY well said Raff

Even as a massive Kayo Dot fan... Err, fanboy, I can completely get why people can't get into them.

I absolutely hated Choirs Of The Eye when I first heard it - thought it was unmusical, boring and monotonous. After a while it grew, and now they're my favourite band ever. I'm not saying it'll happen to you, but for me they were the hardest musical expedition to get into, and easily the most rewarding.

If you like them, you'll like them, and if you don't, you won't. Simple as that I say. I find DAWCT to be their least strong, but still a 5* album easily IMO. I find Caravan's In The Land Of Grey And Pink to be boring, but it doesn't mean I should force myself to like it - quite the contrary rather. It'd be unnatural for you to like everything.

I'd have to agree with checking out Bath and LYBM, although it's near impossible to find them now a days. They're essentially avant-prog metal, with some of the heaviest and most beautiful music ever IMO.

Also, Kayo Dot's two other albums (Blue Lambency Downward and Coyote) have very little connection (musically) to their first two, as far as style goes. To begin with, they're not metal at all - BLD is avant-jazz and Coyote is pure avant.

You can stream BLD here: http://www.bluelambencydownward.com/
And Coyote here: http://www.self-titledmag.com/home/2010/04/20/test-pressing-an-exclusive-stream-of-kayo-dots-coyote-lp/

If you're interested
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2010 at 06:47
You know, the fact that people here are praising an album left, right and centre does not mean there's something wrong with you if you don't like it. I tried for years to get into Dream Theater, to no avail - now I proudly admit to not getting them at all, even to people who worship them. We are all entitled to liking what we want, and no one should make us feel inferior because of that - no matter how many elitist snobs of every persuasion will try to put down your tastes (just ask those who like Neo-ProgWink).
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

This kind of thread always lead me to write : "YOU WILL LOVE X BAND OR ELSE YOU WILL GET THE LASH!!! WORSHIP THEM OR DIIIIIIIE!!!"

No one can make you like Kayo Dot and I won't/can't. Each piece I heard from KD always sounded aimless to me. It seems to me (but, once again, I haven't listened to the whole discographies of KD and Maudlin) that Toby Driver is addicted to the crescendo/decrescendo formula.

@Triceratopsoil: I hardly see the connexion between KD and the "kraut-rock" scene, since the 70's German experimental bands appear to me to be split between the "hypnotic/repetitive" bands (Neu!, Can...) and the "evolutive" bands (Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze - which are able to create long complex pieces) - not to talk about Amon Dl II and some free jazz-like stuff.


As CPicard says, "no one can make you like a band or a certain type of music." That's the beauty of music and our individuality. We each hear music differently. What one person enjoys another may not, but it doesn't matter. I've tried many bands based on comments and recommendations from PA, some I've loved, some I haven't. The key was it was nice to hear about a band I was unfamiliar with and gave me something new to try, and that's the key-keep trying new music.
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