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Points: 8577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2010 at 18:54
I would have thought it would have been much more popular.

Right then, I choose the option that is the exact opposite of whatever the minority least dislikes.

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this is a loooooong thread so i wont read everyones opinion
 
 
Best one is this:
 
 

 
 
it is easier to read - simple as that
 
 
its better balanced with two faces and its symmetrical and easy on the eye. its way better than the tired old one so definitely an improvement and I was delighted to see the new look - it is fantastic your talents are being used in this way. 
 
But if its too busy it cant be read easily and this is least busy
 
the colour scheme is closest to vilet, and you need some purple I believe as thats the colour of the actual site banners. I love the orange and purple as its so recognizable to this site and you know where you are when you have purple and orange banners.
 
perhaps take out about 3 images as busy is not necessary better
 
and just blend in the images as you know how to do into some kind of scenario and by the way, get rid of the King Crimson face no matter what - how many ruddy sites use this? We want to be more original than that. Blend in classic prog with some new stuff so its easily recognizable. I like the spacey prog artwork in particular so include that.
 
 
The faces on either side are interesting but who are they? Could you change those to perhaps more recognizable images - such as Clearlight's face or other...?
 
Magma is a nice touch so include that, images are too small on the left side and hard to recognise unless you are a prog addict.... the right side looks great though, the spaceships and sky blue are nice. 
 
 
 
Wow, I sound like a school teacher - any way it deserves an ALOL  
 
go for it! you have the magic touch
 
 


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After getting over the initial shock, I think I like it. I was ok with the old one . Could it be that I'm  actually REgressive?
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Collages are much to busy for a website header, the images floating in space look contrived and gestalt is totally lacking, floating camels don`t really belong with giant heads etc. Less is usually better, cleaner lines and a website wants people to go deeper off that first home page and a collage does not lend itself to that concept, maybe the forum page but no to the home page.
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I'm against using iconography such as album cover references in the header. It reeks of nostalgia, the very opposite of the progressive spirit.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by darksideof darksideof wrote:

 
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

twinging?
I am horrbible speller Confused Man!
I meant tingling. 

Nope, that's not the right word either. Twiddling? Fiddling? Tweaking? Any of those words would actually make sense.
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Simultaneously, I don´t trust that such experienced admins here would make that schoolboyish goof.

Hahahahaha, let me tell you about some of the copyright issues we've had in the past...
LOL whatever dude!! you got the point!  LOL thanks for the english grammar class though..WinkLOL
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I guess I never really liked the old one either, especially the whole purple-dominated theme, but the header was preferable to what's currently there.

I guess I don't come to this site for the color schemes.  Wink
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Originally posted by darksideof darksideof wrote:

 
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

twinging?
I am horrbible speller Confused Man!
I meant tingling. 

Nope, that's not the right word either. Twiddling? Fiddling? Tweaking? Any of those words would actually make sense.
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Simultaneously, I don´t trust that such experienced admins here would make that schoolboyish goof.

Hahahahaha, let me tell you about some of the copyright issues we've had in the past...
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Honestly, I don't like it. It is too busy and doesn't seem very professional to me. I like the simplicity of the old one.
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

It is down to "fair use" Bob, and fair use is a defense not a protection - you can only claim fair use while you are being sued, it won't protect you from being sued in the first place.

That's true  Dean:

1.- Fair use (Fair Dealing in Canada is a doctrine that according o CANADIAN laws protects in the case of Criticism and Review (I believe this could be the case of Prog Archives)::

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Copyright Act (R.S., 1985, c. C-42)

29.1 Fair dealing for the purpose of criticism or review does not infringe copyright if the following are mentioned:
(a) the source; and
(b) if given in the source, the name of the

(i) author, in the case of a work,

(ii) performer, in the case of a performer’s performance,

(iii) maker, in the case of a sound recording, or

(iv) broadcaster, in the case of a communication signal.

1997, c. 24, s. 18.


http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-42/page-3.html#anchorbo-ga:l_IV-gb:s_34

I believe Prog Archives' location is in Canada, so I post this laws, and also because USA laws are much more restrictive.

2.- So we should cite the source of each and every fragment of the collage (the album in which it appears) and the name of the author.

3.- As far as I know and in USA, Fair Use or Fair Dealing (In UK system countries) is a defense, 

Quote Fair dealing is an enumerated set of possible defenses against an action for infringement of an exclusive right of copyright. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing

I know Wikipedia is not the most serious source, but living in Përú and rarely having to use Canadian laws here, my sources are limited

In other words, somebody sues you and in the trial you can yse this as a defense, even when this defense won't stop a subpoena and probably a trial.

Plus the judge may accept or not that some act is really a fair use.

Not trying to frighten anybody, but as lawyer, I'm forced to take the worst scenarios.

Iván



That's just not fair. Tongue

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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

It is down to "fair use" Bob, and fair use is a defense not a protection - you can only claim fair use while you are being sued, it won't protect you from being sued in the first place.

That's true  Dean:

1.- Fair use (Fair Dealing in Canada is a doctrine that according o CANADIAN laws protects in the case of Criticism and Review (I believe this could be the case of Prog Archives)::

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Copyright Act (R.S., 1985, c. C-42)

29.1 Fair dealing for the purpose of criticism or review does not infringe copyright if the following are mentioned:
(a) the source; and
(b) if given in the source, the name of the

(i) author, in the case of a work,

(ii) performer, in the case of a performer’s performance,

(iii) maker, in the case of a sound recording, or

(iv) broadcaster, in the case of a communication signal.

1997, c. 24, s. 18.


http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-42/page-3.html#anchorbo-ga:l_IV-gb:s_34

I believe Prog Archives' location is in Canada, so I post this laws, and also because USA laws are much more restrictive.

2.- So we should cite the source of each and every fragment of the collage (the album in which it appears) and the name of the author.

3.- As far as I know and in USA, Fair Use or Fair Dealing (In UK system countries) is a defense, 

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Fair dealing is a doctrine of limitations and exceptions to copyright which is found in many of the common law jurisdictions of the Commonwealth of Nations..

Fair dealing is an enumerated set of possible defenses against an action for infringement of an exclusive right of copyright. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing

I know Wikipedia is not the most serious source, but living in Përú and rarely having to use Canadian laws here, my sources are limited

In other words, somebody sues you and in the trial you can yse this as a defense, even when this defense won't stop a subpoena and probably a trial.

Plus the judge may accept or not that some act is really a fair use.

Not trying to frighten anybody, but as lawyer, I'm forced to take the worst scenarios.

Iván




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Originally posted by Viajero Astral Viajero Astral wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Viajero Astral Viajero Astral wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:


I like more the original serious one, not because the collage is bad, but because we have already a personality (this looks more like a fan club art), and also looks too similar to the idea of the  one used by Musica Progresiva.org






...MY GOD!!!

Ouch
Abel has produced collages for several Prog and Metal sites - that could be one of his.


Nah, Abel has much better skills and thaste to do this.
Embarrassed thank kiddo!!!
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Viajero Astral Viajero Astral wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:


I like more the original serious one, not because the collage is bad, but because we have already a personality (this looks more like a fan club art), and also looks too similar to the idea of the  one used by Musica Progresiva.org






...MY GOD!!!

Ouch
Abel has produced collages for several Prog and Metal sites - that could be one of his.
no this collages wasn't made by me, but I have several people out there copying ( or metioning me as main influence )my collages look at these:
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:


I like more the original serious one, not because the collage is bad, but because we have already a personality (this looks more like a fan club art), and also looks too similar to the idea of the  one used by Musica Progresiva.org




Which BTW is much more sober than ours.

But most important, I will talk as a lawyer:

All this drawings are protected by copyright laws, and even when some artists and bands are friendly, some are not.

Even when the author of the "ITCOTCK" has died, the band already protected this art cover with a copyright sign I verified) and King Crimson's lawyers are not famous for authorizing the use of their property.

If I'm not wrong, they already made Prog Archive delete all the samples of King Crimson music.

We are risking ourselves to a legal process, and that will end the site as we know it, because even if we win, the costs will be so high that M@X could be able to close the site.

So unless you have got the EXPRESS CONSENT of each and every artist and band, I would suggest to delete it.

Iván


 
I hear ya Ivan. I sent an emal to Max regaring this very important matter!. I don't mind creating a all original collage of none copyright material. I don't want to see this website to get  sue or anyone who is involve.. We are all here for the love off the music for God sake! not for nothing else!.
also that is a real horrible, reeeal bad photoshop collage you have  up here!LOL Man!
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yes is ok, PA needed a little colour because that purple was already for years on top. Still some improving can be made in the future.Wink
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That need to be clarified and M@X need to seek and then receive a written statement absolving him and our community from any blame whatsoever, Bob. 


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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

I think it is a significant improvement, and I support it as it is.
 
I have my usual concerns concering copyright. Providing these can be sorted out and the site is fully protected from any action against it, I'm all for it.
It is down to "fair use" Bob, and fair use is a defense not a protection - you can only claim fair use while you are being sued, it won't protect you from being sued in the first place.
 
I think in the other thread he does say he's obtained some agreements and is seeking others.
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Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ the admins have no say over how M@X wants the site to look - it is his site, not ours.

I mean M@X is not Almighty.


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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

I think it is a significant improvement, and I support it as it is.
 
I have my usual concerns concering copyright. Providing these can be sorted out and the site is fully protected from any action against it, I'm all for it.
So, I´m confused now. Iván just isn´t right at all?
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