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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Evolver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2013 at 08:03
Dweezil managed to create tones that were similar to Frank's (using Frank's SG) when playing the Roxy & Elsewhere material. At the same time, his tones were also his own. Quite remarkable.
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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Sometimes Zappa would get the perfect guitar tone for the style of soloing he was attempting to master for a.... improvisation ....and other times he did not and yet continued relentlessly with that sound until you accepted it or grew to like it. He wasn't that kind of guitar player. You had to grow with his sound and he wasn't about to deal you in with smooth sounding notes. Not all of the time like a Jeff Beck, Stevie Ray Vaughn, or a Alan Holdsworth would often do. Yet....Zappa had a technical side to his playing ..which brought to mind that if he was that advanced, he might have had reasons for making his guitar sound ugly or even neglected in the performance sense.
 
In "Black Napkins" from Zoot Allures ...the guitar has a tone which was his own personal desire to create and yet probably had a lot to do with the  sound of the instruments and the mix. My guitar wants to kill you're mama.

The best example I can think of that is the tone he continually used during the '81 Halloween night performances (captured on the video "The Torture Never Stops") and solos on "Ship Arriving too Late" and "Them or Us".  It was this crazy flanger processing that was so heavy on the effect that you often couldn't discern the individual notes as they just blurred together to sound like a jet plane engine on takeoff LOL
Yes...that's the one. It's also the "Hendrix" side to Zappa's playing that confuses people. He often adapted the inverted chord voicings used in Soul/R&B/Blues/Jazz as Hendrix did in Psychedelic music and he emulated a ghostly "Hendrix" style when he used a "Wah-Wah" It's not always easy to hear. He did respect Hendrix and so he added reflections of his playing within his memory. I could never get a closer look at Zappa's right hand picking technique than to see how his right hand was positioned. It appeared awkward. I couldn't figure out..if he was using his wrist to play rapid or his arm.
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Roxy By Proxy now scheduled for "around Nov. 8".
 
Road Tapes, Venue 2 is now available.  Helsinki, Aug. 1973.
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Venue Two looks great! I've got a boot from Stockholm recorded a few days before. Really great line-up
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Now Roxy By Proxy is supposed to be released Nov. 15
 
This is getting absurd.
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I got my Road Tapes 2 disks today!!!!
 
 
I'll be listening to it all day tomorrow.
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I'm trying to hold off ordering it until RBP is not on pre-order so I only have to place one order. But...I may not make it.
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Just recently listened to 'Apostrophe'', and I've often wondered this : 'Father O'Blivion' starts to really cook with this awesome jam, and fades out rather quickly. Are there any 'full' versions where this jam goes on for more than a few bars ?? Don't understand why Frank decided to fade it just as it gets going....
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Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

I got my Road Tapes 2 disks today!!!!
 
 
I'll be listening to it all day tomorrow.
 
It's fantastic!!!
 
Lot's of improvised pieces.
 
And the "Village Of The Sun/Echidna's Arf/Don't You Ever Wash That Thing" is great.  Village has an intro and outro I haven't heard anywhere else.  Echidna's Arf is obviously an early rendition, and is played slowly, but has extensive solos, as does Don't You Ever..."
 
This may also be the best "Farther O'Blivion" released yet. 
 
I highly recommend this, RBP still says it will be released on or around today, but with it's history, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

I'm trying to hold off ordering it until RBP is not on pre-order so I only have to place one order. But...I may not make it.



I indeed didn't make it.
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Another RBP release date has come and gone.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote darkshade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2013 at 17:08
Starting a Zappa marathon, chronological, so that means starting with World's Greatest Sinner, Cucamonga, Joe's XMASage, etc... Here we go.

Edited by darkshade - December 03 2013 at 17:09
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Just recently listened to 'Apostrophe'', and I've often wondered this : 'Father O'Blivion' starts to really cook with this awesome jam, and fades out rather quickly. Are there any 'full' versions where this jam goes on for more than a few bars ?? Don't understand why Frank decided to fade it just as it gets going....
Still no-one has pointed me in the direction of this jam.......??
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Just recently listened to 'Apostrophe'', and I've often wondered this : 'Father O'Blivion' starts to really cook with this awesome jam, and fades out rather quickly. Are there any 'full' versions where this jam goes on for more than a few bars ?? Don't understand why Frank decided to fade it just as it gets going....
Still no-one has pointed me in the direction of this jam.......??


Not that I know of. I don't think it's available, maybe it'll wind up on an Apostrophe (') Project/Object...
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RIP Frank Zappa.

Zappa music all day.

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RIP FZ

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There's enough unreleased music on both MOFO and Lumpy Gravy to make a nice tight 35-37 minute album from each box set, thankfully most of them run in sequence. Plus, on LM, you get the original Lumpy Gravy, which has music that's not on the more well-known version. I might just have to make a playlist for each one (I don't really care about instrumental/alternate takes of the songs from the respective album.) for when I listen to these box sets in the future.

I'm loving this Zappadan (Zappa marathon between Dec 4 and Dec 21)
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I'd just like to say first, wow, 20 years.  Sorely missed.  I'd also like to recommend The Real Frank Zappa Book.   A sample can be found here - http://www.amazon.com/Real-Frank-Zappa-Book/dp/0671705725#reader_0671705725

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Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:



Another RBP release date has come and gone.


Indeed. I'm glad I didn't wait.
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I wish I could enjoy a Zappa-fest, but my dear Mum passed away the other day - on the 4th of December
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