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Poll Question: Which band do you prefer?
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    Posted: December 07 2010 at 02:04
 
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Two Yes epigons. Starcastle (United States) is more Symphonic, lyrical, with keyboards and harmonic vocals.
Flash (United Kingdom), on the other hand, is more Eclectic, raw, led by expressive Rickenbacker Bass, mostly without keyboards.
 
Which band is preferred by you? I didn´t include the option "Both equally" this time.Wink
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I like both, but Flash is better and diffrent, In the can is my fav from them and one of my fav albums ever.
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Voted for Flash because they at least have a former Yes member in the band, unlike the Starcastle guys who woke up and said, "Hey, let's imitate Yes!"
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2010 at 10:44
Well I voted Flash because Peter banks is an awesome guitarist. And they are efffing brill!

Starcastle are good too.
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Starcastle. 
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Flash for their larger degree of originality.
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I  need to check out Flash....
 
Starcastle's first two albums are really good  (but derivative)
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Flash are slightly more original, that´s actually Yes daughter band.  On the other hand, Starcastle is nothing more than a strange Yes clone.
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Flash for me, although I know members of both bands!    Flash gets the nod for originality, they took the Rick lead-bass sound into new territory since they usually didn't have keys to rely upon.  

Starcastle were a bunch of downstate Illinois guys who were not trying to "be" Yes as much as borrow from the sound, modify it and run with it!   Back then, the music of Yes was still unbelievably new & fresh, and there were very few derivative bands, probably because it was hard to find that level of talent!  

Starcastle's bassist, the late/great Gary Strator, had the Squire vibe down to a "T"!  He sang, played and even looked like Chris, it was uncanny!  And yet, the band didn't cover a single Yes tune that I ever heard of....although they did do a lot of covers in a typical set, including "Jumping Jack Flash," "Saturday" by Elton John, etc.  Music to drink beer by! 

I miss these prog powerhouses, Flash is engineering a comeback & worth checking out online, see http://www.myspace.com/flashbennettcarter 
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Starcastle; mostly for the first three records being excellent.

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Starcastle, because, let's face it, Colin Carter's vocals are better in small doses. . .
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Originally posted by Bitterblogger Bitterblogger wrote:

Starcastle, because, let's face it, Colin Carter's vocals are better in small doses. . .
 
Oh yes, you´re right! Carter´s voice is really somewhat annoying. I have the same problem with Geddy Lee, by the way.
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Colin Carter's voice is better than ever with age and experience, and in the FLASH reunion lead vocals are shared by former Flash bassist, now lead guitarist, Ray Bennett.  Flash has also added keyboards and strong backing vocals, and has a new CD scheduled for release early 2011.

Here's the new line-up rehearsing a song written by Carter, "Manhattan Morning", from Flash's third album "Out of Our Hands"...
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Originally posted by sherrynoland sherrynoland wrote:

Colin Carter's voice is better than ever with age and experience, and in the FLASH reunion lead vocals are shared by former Flash bassist, now lead guitarist, Ray Bennett.  Flash has also added keyboards and strong backing vocals, and has a new CD scheduled for release early 2011.

Here's the new line-up rehearsing a song written by Carter, "Manhattan Morning", from Flash's third album "Out of Our Hands"...

What´s a reunion without Peter Banks and Rickenbackers (Peter´s and Ray´s)? Thumbs Down
And who are you? Flash´s manager or some member´s wife?
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Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

What´s a reunion without Peter Banks and Rickenbackers (Peter´s and Ray´s)? Thumbs Down
And who are you? Flash´s manager or some member´s wife?


Yes.

It's a very long story, Gandalff.  You can hear some of it in various interviews, including a recent one I posted on Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/user/sherrynoland

Without all the sordid details, it simply wasn't possible - Pete and Mike aren't up to it.  But Ray and Colin are, and are doing what they've always done - making original, innovative music.  They wrote most of the Flash material, and are enjoying the partnership as much as ever.  And they still wear tight pants! 
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Points: 4214 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2010 at 03:52
Originally posted by sherrynoland sherrynoland wrote:

Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

What´s a reunion without Peter Banks and Rickenbackers (Peter´s and Ray´s)? Thumbs Down
And who are you? Flash´s manager or some member´s wife?


Yes.

It's a very long story, Gandalff.  You can hear some of it in various interviews, including a recent one I posted on Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/user/sherrynoland

Without all the sordid details, it simply wasn't possible - Pete and Mike aren't up to it.  But Ray and Colin are, and are doing what they've always done - making original, innovative music.  They wrote most of the Flash material, and are enjoying the partnership as much as ever.  And they still wear tight pants! 
What´s "Yes"? Manager or wife? Or both?Wink
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I'm Ray's wife.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73449&title=flash-1971-to-present
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Points: 4214 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2010 at 06:44
I thought it.
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Points: 377 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2010 at 15:10
What made you think of having a poll between Flash and Starcastle?
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Starcastle were a bunch of downstate Illinois guys who were not trying to "be" Yes as much as borrow from the sound, modify it and run with it!   Back then, the music of Yes was still unbelievably new & fresh, and there were very few derivative bands, probably because it was hard to find that level of talent!  

I totally agree. They've been labeled as a Yes clone, but they not only were influenced heavily by Yes, but had also some ELP and a little (very little) genesis on their sound. Back they there weren't any clone bands, as far as I know, and the tendency to influence your music and get inspiration from the big acts was not uncommon, like Rush being influenced by Led Zeppelin or Hoelderling by Genesis, but being a clone was not the intention, showing some originality in your music.
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