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Svetonio 
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 Posted: August 16 2015 at 09:32 |
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Genesis by a star mile.
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Rick Robson
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Posted: August 15 2015 at 22:03 |
Something that I can't understand and yet puts me off everytime I come back to any prog forum is this so much hallowed love for Genesis in the prog community. The only Genesis music that I (very occasionally) still listen to are Afterglow and Los Endos off the 'Seconds Out' show, and for me it's more than enough Genesis, their music sort of expired long ago due to my timeline changes in taste, I can't resonate with it anymore, alas.
Renaissance by a thousand miles. It's one of the bands that I still go for when I want to listen to music rooted in a lesser degree to pop or pop rock.
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Posted: March 15 2013 at 21:17 |
 The Doctor wrote:
Mirkwood wrote:
Sorry to say this, but the post-beard Phil Collins material is atrocious. Over 95% of it at least.
On the other hand, Renaissance's "Camera Camera" is not bad, quirky 1980s pop, but not bad at all. I haven't heard "Time-Line".
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 Some of their later stuff is fairly atrocious, however they also did some great prog songs and some great pop songs as well. Certainly, not over 95% of it. Maybe about 1/3 is bad. To answer the poll, as much as I like Renaissance, this one has to go to Genesis. |
I'd probably take even the post-beard Collins material over Camera Camera but as far as Timeline goes, I have no doubt. One of the worst albums I've heard.
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Posted: March 15 2013 at 09:23 |
Mirkwood wrote:
Sorry to say this, but the post-beard Phil Collins material is atrocious. Over 95% of it at least.
On the other hand, Renaissance's "Camera Camera" is not bad, quirky 1980s pop, but not bad at all. I haven't heard "Time-Line".
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Some of their later stuff is fairly atrocious, however they also did some great prog songs and some great pop songs as well. Certainly, not over 95% of it. Maybe about 1/3 is bad. To answer the poll, as much as I like Renaissance, this one has to go to Genesis.
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Posted: March 15 2013 at 09:21 |
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Big fan of Genesis, including a great deal of Collins era material, but I don't get along too well with Annie Haslam's vocals.
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Mirkwood
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Posted: March 15 2013 at 09:18 |
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Sorry to say this, but the post-beard Phil Collins material is atrocious. Over 95% of it at least.
On the other hand, Renaissance's "Camera Camera" is not bad, quirky 1980s pop, but not bad at all. I haven't heard "Time-Line".
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Posted: March 13 2013 at 23:55 |
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Putting me between a rock and a hard place, and as much as I try and get Renaissance noticed I just love Genesis too much to not vote for them
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Posted: March 12 2013 at 11:09 |
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As much as I love Renaissance, this is really no contest.
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MonsterMagnet
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Posted: March 12 2013 at 09:37 |
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Genesis |
^ They are masters
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: March 12 2013 at 01:06 |
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Renaissance. Genesis sucks. |
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Posted: January 17 2013 at 10:30 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
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Genesis. They were awesoming BIG TIME '69-'73 with four-five albums while Renaissance were awesoming a time not as big '73-'75 with only two-three albums. |
Ah ... why should it even be about the math? I like both. Maybe not equally, but I like them. |
Well, you COULD extend their awesoming phase up to 78. But even then...not awesoming as much during that time as Genesis during their BIG TIME.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 22:30 |
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 22:25 |
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Yea whoever posted that first though must have been crazy.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 22:09 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Genesis. They were awesoming BIG TIME '69-'73 with four-five albums while Renaissance were awesoming a time not as big '73-'75 with only two-three albums. |
Ah ... why should it even be about the math? I like both. Maybe not equally, but I like them.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 21:36 |
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I like Renaissance but they are up against the Mighty Genesis, so no contest.Genesis
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Hercules
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Posted: December 07 2012 at 10:03 |
Renaissance released a raft of brilliant albums from their debut (with the Keith Relf/John Hawken line up) up to .......well, probably Azure D'Or was the last good one. Genesis were brilliant from Trespass to Selling England, very good from The Lamb to Wind & Wuthering, then forgettable afterwards (unless you like sophisticated commercial pop music).
So both for me; both have enough gems in their discography to merit high praise, but they're not remotely similar.
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Posted: December 04 2012 at 05:44 |
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both were very important bands in my oppinion, for different reasons.
So I vote for both...
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Posted: December 02 2012 at 15:46 |
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I might add that there is no Genesis album that I like so much as a whole as "Turn of the Cards". I might even add "Ashes are Burning" and "Scheherazade"... I found those two a tiny bit weaker than Turn of the Cards, but still great. The thing with Genesis is that they always had some song I really dislike in their albums. But of course, they have such great songs on every album that it is forgiven.
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 17:54 |
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Renaissance for me. Everything pretty much from Prologue to A Song for all Seasons was very strong. Genesis connected with me here and there in a very big way, like Musical Box, Entangled, Lamia, Cinema Show, but Renaissance reached my spirit consistently. Re their pop albums, I am not going to argue for Azure D'Or, IMO their worst album before the long breakup, or Time Line, but I do think Camera Camera is pretty good, with at least 2 songs that totally measure up to earlier material - "Okichi San" and "Ukraine Ways", a credible follow up to "Northern Lights" in "Bonjour Swansong", and several decent new age meets prog attempts in the title cut and "Tyrant Tula". At least they kept their melodic sense, whereas the GENESIS of 80s and beyond were mostly about Phil Collins incessant pounding as far as I could tell. |
indeed - both you and I put up 4 star reviews for Camera Camera - Camp's bass playing is outstanding !! Annie is still amazing. Sad, sad news about Mr Dunford  .
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 11:33 |
Chris S wrote:
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
Renaissance.
In the end, the body of work deserves more respect and attention than a lot of Genesis' music specially when they went pop and I was no longer interested. I carried Genesis until "Trick of the Tail" and the rest ... not important or needed. And I can tell you I have a lot more Renaissance albums and that Annie's voice is a lot prettier than Phil's ever was, not to mention that the lyricism and work done by Renaissance was much better written and defined and had more than one world known poetess writing for them!
Sorry ... Genesis comes off as just pop music by comparison! |
Sorry but I think you have lost the plot with this one 
A bit like comparing a bicycle with a Harley. Sure opinions rule but whew.....not even close. Glad you like Camera Camera and think it is better than Mama  |
Yeah, Pedro, why compare two bands just by looking at the poppy side of things?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 16 2013 at 22:01
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