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Man With Hat 
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Genesis
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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Icarium
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Posted: June 09 2012 at 02:30 |
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is their prog bands named Exodus and Armageddon
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rogerthat
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Posted: January 25 2011 at 22:41 |
 richardh wrote:
Progosopher wrote:
Renaissance. The first album of theirs I got was Live at Carnegie Hall. It served as a good introduction to several phases of the band's music in the 70s. But really, anything from Prologue to Azure D'Or will give you a taste of their sound. Many might be surprised at my mentioning the latter album, but I think it maintains much of the classic Renaissance sound even though the songs are trimmed down both in terms of length and orchestration. I will take Annie Haslam's voice over just about anybody's, including Gabriel and Collins. |
Azure D'Or is the only album I have by Renaissance. Didn't encourage me to go farther although I do love Annie's voice. |
Azure D'Or is not particularly representative of Ren and, barring Forever Changing, not much of Annie's talents either.
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rogerthat
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Posted: January 25 2011 at 22:22 |
moshkito wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
My, my, you do sound like the prog equivalent of a tr00 old Metallica fan.  I don't think there are very many people on this forum who admire Annie Haslam's singing more than me but sorry, Genesis, easily. |
I think my collection of Renaissance far exceeds Genesis' and started much earlier. I was already into Renaissance before Genesis came along with "Selling England By The Pound" for me, and I immediately got their previous 2 albums and when they went pop music, I went with Anthony Phillips a friend that has allowed me to use his music in a poem and hopefully in a movie that I am working on. (I have used kevin Ayers before also). I have more AP albums than Genesis. I have more Renaissance than Genesis ... because Genesis after 4 albums is done and over with!
Sorry ... but when Peter left, Genesis only lasted one album and I think that material was already written with Peter. The material in Trick of the Tail resembles Peter's material with Genesis, not what Genesis went on to do. |
Er, the point is the albums with Peter are by far better than Renaissance, though you may well argue on that point too. I guess Genesis is "twee" and "weird" while Ren is classical...eh, whatever.
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moshkito
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Posted: January 25 2011 at 21:15 |
rogerthat wrote:
My, my, you do sound like the prog equivalent of a tr00 old Metallica fan. I don't think there are very many people on this forum who admire Annie Haslam's singing more than me but sorry, Genesis, easily. |
I think my collection of Renaissance far exceeds Genesis' and started much earlier. I was already into Renaissance before Genesis came along with "Selling England By The Pound" for me, and I immediately got their previous 2 albums and when they went pop music, I went with Anthony Phillips a friend that has allowed me to use his music in a poem and hopefully in a movie that I am working on. (I have used kevin Ayers before also). I have more AP albums than Genesis. I have more Renaissance than Genesis ... because Genesis after 4 albums is done and over with!
Sorry ... but when Peter left, Genesis only lasted one album and I think that material was already written with Peter. The material in Trick of the Tail resembles Peter's material with Genesis, not what Genesis went on to do.
Edited by moshkito - January 25 2011 at 21:17
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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lazland
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Posted: January 25 2011 at 11:51 |
rogerthat wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Oh my god! What´s the meaning of these polls with evidently presupposed results?
It seems to be unexhaustible source of topics: Prog Giant vs. Outsider! |
Renaissance are not 'outsiders', just second division/weaker.
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It was an attempt at irony, and not a very good one at that.
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Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
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crimhead
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Posted: January 25 2011 at 11:50 |
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Genesis. Even post-Peter Genesis over Renaissance.
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rogerthat
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Posted: January 25 2011 at 11:49 |
Gandalff wrote:
Oh my god! What´s the meaning of these polls with evidently presupposed results?
It seems to be unexhaustible source of topics: Prog Giant vs. Outsider! |
Renaissance are not 'outsiders', just second division/weaker.
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Gandalff
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Posted: January 25 2011 at 06:21 |
Oh my god! What´s the meaning of these polls with evidently presupposed results?
It seems to be unexhaustible source of topics: Prog Giant vs. Outsider!
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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idlero
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Posted: January 25 2011 at 06:11 |
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I prefer Renaissance and consider them more "symphonic" than Genesis
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Blacksword
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Posted: January 25 2011 at 05:03 |
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As much as I love Renaissance, Genesis remain my all time time favourite prog band. Renaissance have made albums that trump some of the post W&W Genesis albums, but by and large their best does not compare with the best work of Genesis imo.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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iluvmarillion
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Posted: January 25 2011 at 00:48 |
richardh wrote:
Progosopher wrote:
Renaissance. The first album of theirs I got was Live at Carnegie Hall. It served as a good introduction to several phases of the band's music in the 70s. But really, anything from Prologue to Azure D'Or will give you a taste of their sound. Many might be surprised at my mentioning the latter album, but I think it maintains much of the classic Renaissance sound even though the songs are trimmed down both in terms of length and orchestration. I will take Annie Haslam's voice over just about anybody's, including Gabriel and Collins. |
Azure D'Or is the only album I have by Renaissance. Didn't encourage me to go farther although I do love Annie's voice. |
You choice of "Azure D'Or" could only have been better at representing the Renaissance sound had you chosen "Camera, Camera" to listen to first. All the albums from "Ashes are Burning" to "Song for all Seasons" are worth a listen. Renaissance are a great band but still not in the class of Genesis (no disrespect to Renaissance).
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richardh
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 15:06 |
Progosopher wrote:
Renaissance. The first album of theirs I got was Live at Carnegie Hall. It served as a good introduction to several phases of the band's music in the 70s. But really, anything from Prologue to Azure D'Or will give you a taste of their sound. Many might be surprised at my mentioning the latter album, but I think it maintains much of the classic Renaissance sound even though the songs are trimmed down both in terms of length and orchestration. I will take Annie Haslam's voice over just about anybody's, including Gabriel and Collins. |
Azure D'Or is the only album I have by Renaissance. Didn't encourage me to go farther although I do love Annie's voice.
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MonsterMagnet
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Posted: January 24 2011 at 10:23 |
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Genesis
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rogerthat
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Posted: January 22 2011 at 07:15 |
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akaBona
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Posted: January 22 2011 at 06:51 |
rogerthat wrote:
akaBona wrote:
Genesis easily when thinking of Gabriel era masterpieces. But after Gabriel their material was so weak, mostly embarrasing pop songs (though few decent prog song I admit), that I´d prefer Renaissance.
Voted Genesis just because of Trespass > >> > Lamb masterpieces.
From Renaissance I recommend Prologue, Turn Of The Cards and Scheherazade. Fantastic albums!
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This is not directed to you particularly but I just want to generally ask do you folks like Ren's pop albums? 
As much as I dislike pop Genesis, Timeline really 'takes the cake', unrelentingly third rate with Annie sounding uncomfortable and out of character. Camera Camera is not much better. Azure D' Or wasn't too bad and without the dry production values, would be a little better regarded.
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Ren's pop albums don't belong to my collection. Actually there is lots of late Ren material I have not heard, only some extracts from their last 5-6 albums. The main Renaissance albums were recorded in 70's, same thing with Genesis and for example with Yes. Actually this was a good reminder to listen some Renaissance again.
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BlindGuard
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Posted: January 22 2011 at 06:50 |
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Both!
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trackstoni
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Posted: January 22 2011 at 05:39 |
chopper wrote:
Just go and listen to Renaissance, if you are a Genesis fan you will probably like them but there's no need to compare them to make a judgement.
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this , by all means ! start with ashes , turn & prologue !
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Tracking Tracks of Rock
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jean-marie
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Posted: January 22 2011 at 05:39 |
i just love both bands, but it seems i get back more often to renaissance these days
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rogerthat
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Posted: January 22 2011 at 05:27 |
akaBona wrote:
Genesis easily when thinking of Gabriel era masterpieces. But after Gabriel their material was so weak, mostly embarrasing pop songs (though few decent prog song I admit), that I´d prefer Renaissance.
Voted Genesis just because of Trespass > >> > Lamb masterpieces.
From Renaissance I recommend Prologue, Turn Of The Cards and Scheherazade. Fantastic albums!
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This is not directed to you particularly but I just want to generally ask do you folks like Ren's pop albums? As much as I dislike pop Genesis, Timeline really 'takes the cake', unrelentingly third rate with Annie sounding uncomfortable and out of character. Camera Camera is not much better. Azure D' Or wasn't too bad and without the dry production values, would be a little better regarded.
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