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The man whos recorded Tubular Bells.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

TD for not doing any bad pop albums that I know of.
TD have done a lot of really bad albums though mainly from about 1987 onwards when Christophe Franke jumped ship. They have recovered though in recent years with the Booster series of albums and the beautifull operatic inspired Purgatorio.
 
Oldfield has also done some pretty uninspired stuff as well like Islands and just about everything after Tres Lunas.
 
This is a particlularly hard poll as I love both artists. 5 star albums?:
 
TD
Ricochet
Force Majeure
Tangram
Pergamon
Poland
Purgatorio
 
MO
Hergest Ridge
Ommadawn
Incantations
Amarok
Songs Of Distant Earth
 
TD it is by 6-5!
 
 
 


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^ I like how he missed TD's 5 or 6 best albums there
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

^ I like how he missed TD's 5 or 6 best albums there
I don't really care for their very early stuff which is what I guess you are talking about. Not everyone has the same taste.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:00
For the first four albums in particular, Tangerine Dream by a light year.  I wonder why they aren't rated higher?


3.49 | 77 ratings
 
Electronic Meditation
1970

3.53 | 83 ratings

Alpha Centauri
1971


3.43 | 83 ratings

Zeit 'Largo In 4 Movements'
1972

3.73 | 68 ratings

Atem





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^They are good ratings.
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gandalff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:07
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

TD for not doing any bad pop albums that I know of.
TD have done a lot of really bad albums though mainly from about 1987 onwards when Christophe Franke jumped ship. They have recovered though in recent years with the Booster series of albums and the beautifull operatic inspired Purgatorio.
 
Oldfield has also done some pretty uninspired stuff as well like Islands and just about everything after Tres Lunas.
 
This is a particlularly hard poll as I love both artists. 5 star albums?:
 
TD
Ricochet
Force Majeure
Tangram
Pergamon
Poland
Purgatorio
 
MO
Hergest Ridge
Ommadawn
Incantations
Amarok
Songs Of Distant Earth
 
TD it is by 6-5!
 
 
 
Amarok: five stars really?LOL
Where are Tubular Bells, gosh?Confused

Edited by Gandalff - April 14 2011 at 16:09
A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna mriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-driel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
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TD for everything 71-78, Oldfield was really good in those years as well.
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Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

TD for not doing any bad pop albums that I know of.
TD have done a lot of really bad albums though mainly from about 1987 onwards when Christophe Franke jumped ship. They have recovered though in recent years with the Booster series of albums and the beautifull operatic inspired Purgatorio.
 
Oldfield has also done some pretty uninspired stuff as well like Islands and just about everything after Tres Lunas.
 
This is a particlularly hard poll as I love both artists. 5 star albums?:
 
TD
Ricochet
Force Majeure
Tangram
Pergamon
Poland
Purgatorio
 
MO
Hergest Ridge
Ommadawn
Incantations
Amarok
Songs Of Distant Earth
 
TD it is by 6-5!
 
 
 
Amarok: five stars really?LOL
Where are Tubular Balls, gosh?Confused
Yes and Tubular Balls is just ..well ... a load of bellsLOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:17
Confused this is just a inconsequential poll, did I really need to hide half the posts here?
 
(rhetorical question - don't answer it Stern Smile)


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Comer off it Dean, none of my posts  were that bad..or offensive or anything.
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^They are good ratings.


Compared to albums by other well-known names of the time, teh ratings are quite mediocre.  I happen to think them all essential, and prefer them to the subsequent higher rated TD albums, but of course I recognise that my tastes are not the most mainstream here.  Zeit, which I think a masterpiece, would be a real chore for most to listen to.

I'm trying to think of how many classic big names of their categories would have had that kind of average for their first four albums.  Commonly, the ratings went down later on into the 70's (Rush's early albums were rated lower than subsequent ones).

 I might have thought Zeit and Atem would be rated essential., but then I guess the music is not as accessible as later albums, so that's why. Genesis' Duke is generally not considered to be a great album, but it rates higher than Zeit., so does And then there Were Three (which I happen to like). Rush's Vapor Trails, and that gets disparaged quite a bit, has a higher rating. Yes' Drama rates considerably higher.  Good ratings or not, I still would have expected higher ratings, but I shouldn't really.


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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^They are good ratings.


Compared to albums by other well-known names of the time, teh ratings are quite mediocre.  I happen to think them all essential, and prefer them to the subsequent higher rated TD albums, but of course I recognise that my tastes are not the most mainstream here.  Zeit, which I think a masterpiece, would be a real chore for most to listen to.

I'm trying to think of how many big names of their categories would have had that kind of average for their first four albums.  Commonly, the ratings went down later on into the 70's (Rush's early albums were rated lower than subsequent ones).

So they're phey're pretty average ratings, I think.  I might have thought Zeit and Atem would be rated essential., but then I guess the music is not as accessible as later albums, so that's why. Genesis' Duke is generally not considered to be a great album, but it rates higher than Zeit., so does And then there Were Three (which I happen to like). Rush's Vapor Trails, and that gets disparaged quite a bit, has a higher rating. Yes' Drama rates considerably higher.  Good ratings or not, I still would have expected higher ratings.


I'm inclined to strongly agree.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^They are good ratings.


Compared to albums by other well-known names of the time, teh ratings are quite mediocre.  I happen to think them all essential, and prefer them to the subsequent higher rated TD albums, but of course I recognise that my tastes are not the most mainstream here.  Zeit, which I think a masterpiece, would be a real chore for most to listen to.

I'm trying to think of how many big names of their categories would have had that kind of average for their first four albums.  Commonly, the ratings went down later on into the 70's (Rush's early albums were rated lower than subsequent ones).

So they're phey're pretty average ratings, I think.  I might have thought Zeit and Atem would be rated essential., but then I guess the music is not as accessible as later albums, so that's why. Genesis' Duke is generally not considered to be a great album, but it rates higher than Zeit., so does And then there Were Three (which I happen to like). Rush's Vapor Trails, and that gets disparaged quite a bit, has a higher rating. Yes' Drama rates considerably higher.  Good ratings or not, I still would have expected higher ratings.

Atem is closer to 4 and he others around the 3.5 mark. not bad for "difficult" albums. Better than average I think personally.
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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I see your point Ian, but I still agree with him - I wish they were rated higher.  Incidentally, Atem is maybe my least favorite of the first four (though still worthy of 4 stars from me) and Zeit is probably my favorite of them...I have things backwards, it seems. LOL
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Atem is closer to 4 and he others around the 3.5 mark. not bad for "difficult" albums. Better than average I think personally.


Actually, if you look at some other "notoriously difficult" albums, the ratings seem consistently higher to me

4.17 | 63 ratings
Univers Zero (1313)

4.18 | 94 ratings
Heresie

3.94 | 59 ratings
Ceux Du Dehors

4.03 | 71 ratings
Legend

3.88 | 50 ratings
In Praise Of Learning

4.26 | 70 ratings
Western Culture

4.21 | 11 ratings
Unrest (Remastered)

3.97 | 123 ratings
Magma (Kobaa)

4.10 | 126 ratings
1001 Centigrades

4.21 | 272 ratings
Mkank Dstruktẁ Kmmandh

4.13 | 160 ratings
Khntarksz

4.33 | 97 ratings
Ẁurdah tah (Christian Vander)

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I'm thinking the difference must be that completionist fans of later, more accessible TD realise "you know what? this sh*t is different"
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^ A lot of Magma there with ratings that I would expect.
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

I'm thinking the difference must be that completionist fans of later, more accessible TD realise "you know what? this sh*t is different"

You could be right.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^They are good ratings.


Compared to albums by other well-known names of the time, teh ratings are quite mediocre.  I happen to think them all essential, and prefer them to the subsequent higher rated TD albums, but of course I recognise that my tastes are not the most mainstream here.  Zeit, which I think a masterpiece, would be a real chore for most to listen to.

I'm trying to think of how many big names of their categories would have had that kind of average for their first four albums.  Commonly, the ratings went down later on into the 70's (Rush's early albums were rated lower than subsequent ones).

So they're phey're pretty average ratings, I think.  I might have thought Zeit and Atem would be rated essential., but then I guess the music is not as accessible as later albums, so that's why. Genesis' Duke is generally not considered to be a great album, but it rates higher than Zeit., so does And then there Were Three (which I happen to like). Rush's Vapor Trails, and that gets disparaged quite a bit, has a higher rating. Yes' Drama rates considerably higher.  Good ratings or not, I still would have expected higher ratings.

Atem is closer to 4 and he others around the 3.5 mark. not bad for "difficult" albums. Better than average I think personally.


It's Zeit that particularly surprised me when I saw the rating before.  It is an album that people are divided on, even with collab reviewers who are generally more cautious with the way they rate (me, I just rate stuff I love).

Thesse are diametrically opposed interesting reviews to compare which provided some insight to me:


Review by greenback
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1 stars What a shame! The music consists in 2-3 humming refrigerators at the same time, plus a portative fan that turns back and forth to make the anyway inexistent rhythm, and finally a coming cluster of threatening killer bees!

There are tons of albums better than this one to describe the desolation once you go alone on Mars! The album is even not minimalist!

Rating: 0.5 star


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5 stars A deep abstract universe offered by this electronic, semi-acoustic meditative Largo in four movements. The music is an organic & orgasmic evocation of the infinite beauty, illustrated by higher world. It touches the heart and the most hidden parts of our subconsious. The continuous sound forms largely used for each part suggests a "catharsis" process, a purification of the spirit. In popular music I've rarely heard a such intense and "cerebral " work. "Zeit" follows the schematic ideas of "Alpha Centauri" but here the instrumentation is entirely focused on "loops", and moving, floating keyboards lines. Only albums as Cluster II, Klaus Schulze's Irrlicht, Roedelius' Acon 2000/1 or more recently "Omit" project by Clinton Williams can equal this one in term of "introspective" achievement. Otherwise we need to look for masterworks in electro-acoustic and minimal art researches to have a similar experience throw time (Parmegiani, Philip Corner, Ramon Sender, Henry Jacobs.). The first "Birth of liquid Plejades" is a "dreamy" dominated Moog synth composition. This one is my favorite. It is a fantastic voyage throw the unknown. It includes first hypnotic "scary" manipulated sounds, repetitive organ patterns. The second part of the track features near, modular synth sounds in a plaintive tone, then comes a low cello bass line. It delivers instrumental sequences amplified by electric "drone" effects. "Nebulous Dawn" is a rather dark, creepy atmospheric tune with organ patterns, circular noises and a vibrant cello bass. "Origins of supernatural probabilities" starts with a rather melancholic organ melody, then during more that 10 minutes we hear mysterious soundscapes with diverse sorts of electronic superpositions. At the end of the tune we go back to the original melody. "Zeit" (part 4) is an "abstract" synth theme with long silences and dark musical textures. The best TD album with "Alpha Centauri" & "Atem". Nothing to do with their golden years. I've included this one in my top 10 favorite progressive albums. A physical dimension of sounds that demands to be lived as an experience.

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