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    Posted: March 01 2013 at 07:12
LED ZEPPELIN, the best hard rock band ever!

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Rush, out of a bias toward Prog, but with all due respect to Zeppelin.
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Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul

Actually, that is an Oscar Wilde quote and it goes: "Talent borrows, genius steals."

As for the Stairway vs. Taurus thing: So the chord sequences in the beginning are similar. Big deal. That doesn't make "Stairway to Heaven" any less of a great song. I agree that not crediting the old blues masters on their first album was very bad judgment on their part, but in this case I would chalk it up to subconscious inspiration.
By the way, Led Zeppelin opened for Spirit on their first US tour in 1969, so that tightens the possible connection between the two songs.  I totally agree (as I posted earlier) that the overall similarity between the two songs is minor at best, though.
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Actually, that is an Oscar Wilde quote and it goes: "Talent borrows, genius steals."

As for the Stairway vs. Taurus thing: So the chord sequences in the beginning are similar. Big deal. That doesn't make "Stairway to Heaven" any less of a great song. I agree that not crediting the old blues masters on their first album was very bad judgment on their part, but in this case I would chalk it up to subconscious inspiration.
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ Monica: Joey, we always know what you mean.
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112

Originally posted by Horizons

Rush is still superior by so many standards for me. They're the reason i'm on this forum, becoming a more serious drummer, and just have a passion for music in general.
I like Rush way more but in all reality it's in the Eye of the Beholder.
Off the topic: That's perhaps the only track I like from that Metallica album.


On the contrary I find other songs on that album better for example The Frayed Ends of Sanity and One(of course) but you're entitled tooWink
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Originally posted by Atavachron

I have little doubt up about half of Zep's material was influenced by or even taken from other artists, I hear bits from other sources all the time in their stuff that no one has even noticed.   Page and Jones were studio musicians and made a living playing other people's music for years.  

But the thing is, I hear lifts in Pink Floyd's music too (often from smaller British bands of the 60s).   Few would disagree, including me, that Floyd were one of the most original acts in rock but that doesn't mean they were immune from influence or even borrowing something.   Many artists are guilty of this.   Zeppelin's problem was aggravated by several things;  they'd gotten too big to let the obvious poaching, or in some cases simply un-crediting, go unnoticed.   Also they didn't well conceal their theft like others did--  the best way to steal music is to make the song your own enough so that no one notices.   The Beatles did it well.



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^ Monica: Joey, we always know what you mean.
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112

Originally posted by Horizons

Rush is still superior by so many standards for me. They're the reason i'm on this forum, becoming a more serious drummer, and just have a passion for music in general.
I like Rush way more but in all reality it's in the Eye of the Beholder.
Off the topic: That's perhaps the only track I like from that Metallica album.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 16 2013 at 22:15
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by HolyMoly

Actually, the band is called Spirit and the song is called Taurus, in case that hasn't been settled.
So I wasn't hallucinating.


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Originally posted by Horizons

Rush is still superior by so many standards for me. They're the reason i'm on this forum, becoming a more serious drummer, and just have a passion for music in general. 




I like Rush way more but in all reality it's in the eye of the beholder
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Rush is still superior by so many standards for me. They're the reason i'm on this forum, becoming a more serious drummer, and just have a passion for music in general. 
Persuasion deflowers your sympathy.
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by HolyMoly

Actually, the band is called Spirit and the song is called Taurus, in case that hasn't been settled.
So I wasn't hallucinating.
Not that I'm aware of, no.  
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112

to me that's their problem and why I don't really like them

they'd gotten too big to let the obvious poaching, or in some cases simply un-crediting, go unnoticed
It's a fair criticism
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Originally posted by HolyMoly

Actually, the band is called Spirit and the song is called Taurus, in case that hasn't been settled.
So I wasn't hallucinating.
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Can't recall if I voted here, but in case anyone cares, I like Zeppelin better than Rush.  It's fairly close though.
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Actually, the band is called Spirit and the song is called Taurus, in case that hasn't been settled.

I've known both songs for most of my life, and I never really thought the two were THAT similar anyway.
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Originally posted by Atavachron

I have little doubt up about half of Zep's material was influenced by or even taken from other artists, I hear bits from other sources all the time in their stuff that no one has even noticed.   Page and Jones were studio musicians and made a living playing other people's music for years.  

But the thing is, I hear lifts in Pink Floyd's music too (often from smaller British bands of the 60s).   Few would disagree, including me, that Floyd were one of the most original acts in rock but that doesn't mean they were immune from influence or even borrowing something.   Many artists are guilty of this.   Zeppelin's problem was aggravated by several things;  they'd gotten too big to let the obvious poaching, or in some cases simply un-crediting, go unnoticed.   Also they didn't well conceal their theft like others did--  the best way to steal music is to make your own enough so that no one notices.   The Beatles did it well.





to me that's their problem and why I don't really like them

they'd gotten too big to let the obvious poaching, or in some cases simply un-crediting, go unnoticed


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I have little doubt up about half of Zep's material was influenced by or even taken from other artists, I hear bits from other sources all the time in their stuff that no one has even noticed.   Page and Jones were studio musicians and made a living playing other people's music for years.  

But the thing is, I hear lifts in Pink Floyd's music too (often from smaller British bands of the 60s).   Few would disagree, including me, that Floyd were one of the most original acts in rock but that doesn't mean they were immune from influence or even borrowing something.   Many artists are guilty of this.   Zeppelin's problem was aggravated by several things;  they'd gotten too big to let the obvious poaching, or in some cases simply un-crediting, go unnoticed.   Also they didn't well conceal their theft like others did--  the best way to steal music is to make the song your own enough so that no one notices.   The Beatles did it well.





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^ Checking it out.
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Hey Andrey, the song's name is Spirit
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