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Purple_Floyd
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Posted: June 03 2011 at 11:03 |
Alitare wrote:
Finally, both groups returned to their influences for guidance in treading the future (Road Salt One/Take Cover).
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Road Salt One is nowhere near a return to roots; I see nothing in common between it and Entropia. Entropia is a nice metal-opera concept album, if a thad too heavy for my taste, while RSO is completly new, simple, lacking of any depth and awful style, which I believe is a shame considering their 3 masterpieces (TPE, Remedy Lane and "BE") they released before.
I don't know much about QR. I like Mindcrime I & II, but it's not in my a favorite.
POS for sure.
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Alitare
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Posted: June 03 2011 at 11:45 |
Purple_Floyd wrote:
Alitare wrote:
Finally, both groups returned to their influences for guidance in treading the future (Road Salt One/Take Cover).
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Road Salt One is nowhere near a return to roots; I see nothing in common between it and Entropia. Entropia is a nice metal-opera concept album, if a thad too heavy for my taste, while RSO is completly new, simple, lacking of any depth and awful style, which I believe is a shame considering their 3 masterpieces (TPE, Remedy Lane and "BE") they released before.
I don't know much about QR. I like Mindcrime I & II, but it's not in my a favorite.
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By 'roots' I meant 'influences'. Take Cover has nothing to do with Rage for Order. It has to do with what influenced them. Road Salt One was a tribute to 1970's prog rock and Led Zeppelin.
Christ, this wasn't meant to be taken like a master's degree thesis, ya tightasses. I never said there weren't differences. It's just like half this community to hear someone say 'a cat got run over' and reply: 'No, I disagree, it committed suicide, you foolish nincompoop'.
Edited by Alitare - June 03 2011 at 11:50
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Purple_Floyd
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Posted: June 03 2011 at 11:53 |
Alitare wrote:
Purple_Floyd wrote:
Alitare wrote:
Finally, both groups returned to their influences for guidance in treading the future (Road Salt One/Take Cover).
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Road Salt One is nowhere near a return to roots; I see nothing in common between it and Entropia. Entropia is a nice metal-opera concept album, if a thad too heavy for my taste, while RSO is completly new, simple, lacking of any depth and awful style, which I believe is a shame considering their 3 masterpieces (TPE, Remedy Lane and "BE") they released before.
I don't know much about QR. I like Mindcrime I & II, but it's not in my a favorite.
POS for sure. |
By 'roots' I meant 'influences'. Take Cover has nothing to do with Rage for Order. It has to do with what influenced them. Christ, this wasn't meant to be taken like a f**kin' master's degree thesis, ya tightass b*****ds. I never said there weren't differences. It's just like half this community to hear someone say 'a cat got run over' and reply: 'No, I disagree, it committed suicide, you foolish nincompoop'. |
Yeah, sorry, I misinterpreted what you said. I just wanted to express my hate for this album but just sounded rude in doing so.
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Alitare
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Posted: June 03 2011 at 12:12 |
Purple_Floyd wrote:
Alitare wrote:
Purple_Floyd wrote:
Alitare wrote:
Finally, both groups returned to their influences for guidance in treading the future (Road Salt One/Take Cover).
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Road Salt One is nowhere near a return to roots; I see nothing in common between it and Entropia. Entropia is a nice metal-opera concept album, if a thad too heavy for my taste, while RSO is completly new, simple, lacking of any depth and awful style, which I believe is a shame considering their 3 masterpieces (TPE, Remedy Lane and "BE") they released before.
I don't know much about QR. I like Mindcrime I & II, but it's not in my a favorite.
POS for sure. |
By 'roots' I meant 'influences'. Take Cover has nothing to do with Rage for Order. It has to do with what influenced them. Christ, this wasn't meant to be taken like a f**kin' master's degree thesis, ya tightass b*****ds. I never said there weren't differences. It's just like half this community to hear someone say 'a cat got run over' and reply: 'No, I disagree, it committed suicide, you foolish nincompoop'. |
Yeah, sorry, I misinterpreted what you said. I just wanted to express my hate for this album but just sounded rude in doing so. |
Oh I got no problem with you. You say you haven't heard much from QR. You love Pain of Salvation (so does I). I gotta recommend Promised Land - one of the darkest albums I've ever heard. By dark I don't mean black metalish, either. It's closer to The Perfect Element.
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Purple_Floyd
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Posted: June 03 2011 at 13:42 |
Alitare wrote:
Oh I got no problem with you. You say you haven't heard much from QR. You love Pain of Salvation (so does I). I gotta recommend Promised Land - one of the darkest albums I've ever heard. By dark I don't mean black metalish, either. It's closer to The Perfect Element. |
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 04 2011 at 02:02 |
Mixed views on both bands. QR blended Rush with Iron Maiden to make the prototype of prog metal as we know it but barring some songs like Sister Suite Mary, I don't find their music all that interesting or that much of a departure even from heavy metal. I have often heard them described as "thinking man's metal" but in all honesty, Sabbath's daring musical adventures on Sabbath Bloody Sabbath make me think a lot more than either of these bands. The Rush-like precision doesn't really disguise the prominent Maiden influence in their music. AND Iron Maiden themselves have some Rush influences so QR is more like a logical next step than a radical departure for me, but with the over conscious, calculated delivery that for some reason is so sought after in prog metal.
Coming to PoS, though, they do a lot of things right and in spite of that I did not like their last two albums, they remain one of the most promising prog metal outfits. What I don't like so much about PoS is how much they favour abrupt transitions. I don't mind abrupt transitions as a surprise element and especially if it makes sense taken in context of the further development of the music. But for PoS it is almost a staple, especially on Entropia and Concrete Lake albums. This problem is more or less overcome on Perfect Element I and it is also quite an emotional album and for that album alone, they comfortably get my vote over Queensryche. TPE is in many ways the kind of prog metal I really dig and would like to hear more of but unfortunately there's not a whole lot of it that at least I have heard of.
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Alitare
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Posted: June 04 2011 at 09:09 |
rogerthat wrote:
Mixed views on both bands. QR blended Rush with Iron Maiden to make the prototype of prog metal as we know it but barring some songs like Sister Suite Mary, I don't find their music all that interesting or that much of a departure even from heavy metal. I have often heard them described as "thinking man's metal" but in all honesty, Sabbath's daring musical adventures on Sabbath Bloody Sabbath make me think a lot more than either of these bands. The Rush-like precision doesn't really disguise the prominent Maiden influence in their music. AND Iron Maiden themselves have some Rush influences so QR is more like a logical next step than a radical departure for me, but with the over conscious, calculated delivery that for some reason is so sought after in prog metal.
Coming to PoS, though, they do a lot of things right and in spite of that I did not like their last two albums, they remain one of the most promising prog metal outfits. What I don't like so much about PoS is how much they favour abrupt transitions. I don't mind abrupt transitions as a surprise element and especially if it makes sense taken in context of the further development of the music. But for PoS it is almost a staple, especially on Entropia and Concrete Lake albums. This problem is more or less overcome on Perfect Element I and it is also quite an emotional album and for that album alone, they comfortably get my vote over Queensryche. TPE is in many ways the kind of prog metal I really dig and would like to hear more of but unfortunately there's not a whole lot of it that at least I have heard of.
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In a way, I agree with you. I'll never forget Operation Mindcrime - it got to me when I was in a clouded stage of youth. But TPE is a world all its own. Personally, when it comes to new prog metal, I go for Pain of Salvation, Devin Townsend, and Ayreon (sometimes Opeth, too). Terria is a very emotional album for me, but in a very different state of mind (it's hardly "metal").
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Andy Webb
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Joined: June 04 2010
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Posted: June 04 2011 at 09:53 |
iluvmarillion wrote:
Never really found Queensryche particularly progressive so PoS is the obvious choice for me. |
qft
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kawkaw123
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Posted: June 04 2011 at 10:52 |
POS Queensryche only had one good album in my mind.
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Progmind
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Posted: June 04 2011 at 21:15 |
double post, sorry
Edited by Progmind - June 04 2011 at 21:28
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Progmind
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Posted: June 04 2011 at 21:27 |
Queensryche for me.
I remember when I was only 12 years, it was 1986 and appears the album "Rage for Order", was undoubtedly an album ahead of its time, personally i recomend it. They forged a scene with Fates Warning, Heir Apparent, Mekong Delta, Wachtower and few others. If you want to hear excellent live band listen "Operation Livecrime", i prefer that album over Mindcrime. POS its a great band too, but i prefer the band form Seattle´.
Sorry for my english
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Kashmir75
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Posted: November 03 2011 at 20:02 |
Apart from Operation Mindcrime, I didn't really get much into Queensryche. They don't sound particularly prog to me (not that I don't listen to other forms of music besides prog).
POS I like. They may have had a few missteps recently, but most of their output has been really rather good.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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ppl
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Posted: November 04 2011 at 09:04 |
Operation Mindcrime was,is and surely will be the BEST prog metal album..and remember it was releashed in 1988 holy mother of god..what to say?
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digdug
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Location: Canada
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Posted: November 04 2011 at 09:07 |
meh vs meh
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Prog On!
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