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Posted: October 03 2012 at 12:14
M27Barney wrote:
Just had to dig OK computer out - firstly - longest track just over 6 mins....& I listened to Paranoid Android - not as bad as I thought all those years ago - but then I was expecting grandiose and bombast that a "prog Epic" should deliver. But it's a sort of indy sound with sort of indy guitar -possibly slightly crossing over into Porcupine tree territory... The pop song length of the tracks detracts - lack of real depth to the first two tracks... certainly those two didn't get me wanting to play any more....Listenable as background music but probably behind at least 95% of my CD collection.....
All these elements and characteristics of music are what is cliché in progressive rock. And therefore not being progressive at all, as progressive rock should never have any clichés. Apparently all you want is good old 70s prog rock, with 20-minute long epic symphonic outblown songs. A song doesn't have to be more than 5 minutes long to be considered as progressive. It doesn't have to sound "classically" epic to be progressive (even though Jonny Greenwood is a great classical composer as well, working with Penderecki on his last album for example). I could go on and on, but I think we all get the gist. Radiohead are progressive in their own right. It's not within the prog rock genre, but progressive rock should never be a genre, but always an attitude towards music. But to not make this another WHAT IS PROGRESSIVE ROCK thread, I rest my case.
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Posted: October 02 2012 at 19:56
M27Barney wrote:
Just had to dig OK computer out - firstly - longest track just over 6 mins....& I listened to Paranoid Android - not as bad as I thought all those years ago - but then I was expecting grandiose and bombast that a "prog Epic" should deliver. But it's a sort of indy sound with sort of indy guitar -possibly slightly crossing over into Porcupine tree territory... The pop song length of the tracks detracts - lack of real depth to the first two tracks... certainly those two didn't get me wanting to play any more....Listenable as background music but probably behind at least 95% of my CD collection.....
Yeah, because Gentle Giant tracks are so long and so bombastic.
Just had to dig OK computer out - firstly - longest track just over 6 mins....& I listened to Paranoid Android - not as bad as I thought all those years ago - but then I was expecting grandiose and bombast that a "prog Epic" should deliver. But it's a sort of indy sound with sort of indy guitar -possibly slightly crossing over into Porcupine tree territory... The pop song length of the tracks detracts - lack of real depth to the first two tracks... certainly those two didn't get me wanting to play any more....Listenable as background music but probably behind at least 95% of my CD collection.....
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Posted: October 01 2012 at 22:23
Prog966 wrote:
There are some songs that would be categorized as prog, or at least what they call post-prog or third-wave, as Paranoid Android
But songs like Let Down are what Scaruffi said to be pseudo-avant-garde: its just a pop song with some background noise to hide this fact
Well, the chords also seem to be played in a different time sig to the melody which, as it should, resolves in time. It is disguised quite beautifully, well enough it seems for some people to take it to be AOR.
To the person who asked if it could be electronica, it is actually quite guitar based and also uses glockenspiel. Anyway, the point is not whether AOR is some uniformly bad genre of music - and I don't think it is - but that OK Computer simply has nothing to do with AOR.
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Posted: October 01 2012 at 06:55
^When I first heard OK Computer I thought it was amazing. We weren't the first to call them Prog though. They had already been called that in the press.
I threw in "AOR" as a sort of red herring - I can dimly rmeber listening to OK computer expecting it to live up to the "hype" - the fact that I can't rember a single note and maybe in my universe it WAS AOR,,,,,
It's always like Schroedingers cat experiment - with me trying to remember a CD listening that happend 10 years ago at least..... I opened the LID and the progressive masterpiece turned out to be a damp squib....even if not AOR ....was it electronica?? Has a cover like a Power Station CD if I remember....
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Posted: September 29 2012 at 22:12
Radiohead = A.O.R. ???? I had my belly-larf for the day - thanks. I used to dis Yorke and his band of try-hard musicians with a passion. Since I acquired KID A - love the album, have a high respect for the band and agree that they are 'progressive' (as opposed to 'Prog'). They are alternative at the heart, but bleedin' experimental and original.
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