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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: June 25 2011 at 19:22 |
Tony R wrote:
Pssst, but WE did. |
Aye, and it's a fine thing you gents caught that rash of hooliganism before the OP had to see it.
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Andy Webb
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Posted: June 25 2011 at 19:03 |
I still think it's courteous to apologize; it gives the site a bad reputation if it's all troll and no soul (just made that up )
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Slaughternalia
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Posted: June 25 2011 at 19:02 |
Progarchives just loves to claim bands as their own
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I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
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Tony R
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Posted: June 25 2011 at 18:55 |
Pssst, but WE did.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: June 25 2011 at 18:31 |
Pssssstttt...he probably didn't even see any of those posts.
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Andy Webb
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Posted: June 25 2011 at 18:29 |
The Truth wrote:
Why is my previous post doing that?
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Because Dean doesn't like it when we bash the noobies
My Left Brain, on the behalf of my retarded friends from the Shred room, I apologize. Sometimes we like to ruffle the hair of the newbies or crack some jokes when a posts likes this are posted. We mean no harm, and I hope we haven't dampened your view of our Beloved ProgArchives.
Your welcome to post your opinions of bands such this; it's what makes the forum continue. So with a warm heart, welcome to PA
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The Truth
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Posted: June 25 2011 at 17:24 |
Personally I find Radiohead very progressive but not necessarily a prog band. They get a ton of influences from prog bands which makes what they're doing truly great and original but they are still alt rock.
Edited by The Truth - June 26 2011 at 00:56
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Icarium
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Posted: June 25 2011 at 16:37 |
I could make similar thread about Toto but i know that would be flames by the proggers, and I havent dones so.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: June 25 2011 at 15:55 |
edit 2: Many valid points re: what makes something prog, however I feel that they leave out several streams and/or subgenres of progressive rock; some of them are built around a notable lack of the elements that you feel define prog. I also don't really consider Radiohead to be progressive, but as I'm not familiar with all their work perhaps I can't judge.
That's the best post I can make in my feverish drug-addled state. Welcome to the site.
Edited by Triceratopsoil - June 25 2011 at 18:05
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Andy Webb
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Posted: June 25 2011 at 15:53 |
Welcome to the forum.
One tip before you're slaughtered by the masses: don't post stuff like this. You'll just get troll'd
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Slaughternalia
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Posted: June 25 2011 at 15:47 |
What difference does it make? Prog, not prog. It's awesome music either way
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I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
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my_left_brain
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Posted: June 25 2011 at 14:06 |
Progressive rock is not just rock. It is rock with something extra; complex rhythms, large bands with unusual instruments, multiple sections and long songs, like supper’s ready is 24 minutes long. Albums made by prog(ressive) rock bands most of the time have a concept; lyrically, musically or songs just fading out in the next one. I like prog rock because there’s more in it. More technique. Some think it’s just egoistic soloing, but I hear that when the guitarists the drumemrs most of the time also plays nice stuff. It’s not just soloing, it’s all complex. With all parties. Great example is “Cinema Show” by Genesis. When Tony Banks, the keyboardist is soloing, Phil Collins as drummer plays in 7/8 rythm. So although he’s not in the spotlights he keeps drumming with much technique which you seldom see if not in a solo. Prog Rock is often confused with symfo; even the fans, the listeners, seem to confuse those two terms. It’s both about long songs, complex rythms, strange lyrics and large bands. But the difference is that symfo is a subgenre of prog rock. And that’s why bands like radiohead are seldom seen as prog rock. Because people often forget that prog rock doesn’t have to be big. It doesn’t have to exist of long soloing. You can call radiohead prog rock because you can hear on songs like 2+2=5, pyramid and 15 step. You can hear that the album Kid A si a concept album, because the songs segues into the next. The lyrics are in some cases also unusual (the song 2+2=5 is critics about industrial mistakes). You can hear on Kid A and a bit on OK computer , the previous album, that they use much technology. That’s also a condition of prog rock. But you can’t call radiohead symfo, because it’s not that rocking. Prog rock does have more subgenres. That’s because prog rock is about conditions to be filled. But every musician does that different. Every musician in prog rock find seemingly find other conditions more important than musicians in any other subgenre. So prog rock can have so many subgenres because there’s a great variable about what conditions you full fill and in what form. Prog folk musicians find the historical source of prof rock more important and goes back to the roots, but neo prog rock musicians just get on with prog rock and develop it further.
I wrote this because of a discussion with a friend of mine who said radiohead not to be prog rock. And I saw different times that people confuse symfo with prog rock. Even I confused the both may times before I wrote this.
P.S: This is my first blog, I am from Holland, so excuse me for my poor english.
My left brain
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