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Posted: October 01 2012 at 22:23
Prog966 wrote:
There are some songs that would be categorized as prog, or at least what they call post-prog or third-wave, as Paranoid Android
But songs like Let Down are what Scaruffi said to be pseudo-avant-garde: its just a pop song with some background noise to hide this fact
Well, the chords also seem to be played in a different time sig to the melody which, as it should, resolves in time. It is disguised quite beautifully, well enough it seems for some people to take it to be AOR.
To the person who asked if it could be electronica, it is actually quite guitar based and also uses glockenspiel. Anyway, the point is not whether AOR is some uniformly bad genre of music - and I don't think it is - but that OK Computer simply has nothing to do with AOR.
Just had to dig OK computer out - firstly - longest track just over 6 mins....& I listened to Paranoid Android - not as bad as I thought all those years ago - but then I was expecting grandiose and bombast that a "prog Epic" should deliver. But it's a sort of indy sound with sort of indy guitar -possibly slightly crossing over into Porcupine tree territory... The pop song length of the tracks detracts - lack of real depth to the first two tracks... certainly those two didn't get me wanting to play any more....Listenable as background music but probably behind at least 95% of my CD collection.....
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Posted: October 02 2012 at 19:56
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Just had to dig OK computer out - firstly - longest track just over 6 mins....& I listened to Paranoid Android - not as bad as I thought all those years ago - but then I was expecting grandiose and bombast that a "prog Epic" should deliver. But it's a sort of indy sound with sort of indy guitar -possibly slightly crossing over into Porcupine tree territory... The pop song length of the tracks detracts - lack of real depth to the first two tracks... certainly those two didn't get me wanting to play any more....Listenable as background music but probably behind at least 95% of my CD collection.....
Yeah, because Gentle Giant tracks are so long and so bombastic.
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Posted: October 03 2012 at 12:14
M27Barney wrote:
Just had to dig OK computer out - firstly - longest track just over 6 mins....& I listened to Paranoid Android - not as bad as I thought all those years ago - but then I was expecting grandiose and bombast that a "prog Epic" should deliver. But it's a sort of indy sound with sort of indy guitar -possibly slightly crossing over into Porcupine tree territory... The pop song length of the tracks detracts - lack of real depth to the first two tracks... certainly those two didn't get me wanting to play any more....Listenable as background music but probably behind at least 95% of my CD collection.....
All these elements and characteristics of music are what is cliché in progressive rock. And therefore not being progressive at all, as progressive rock should never have any clichés. Apparently all you want is good old 70s prog rock, with 20-minute long epic symphonic outblown songs. A song doesn't have to be more than 5 minutes long to be considered as progressive. It doesn't have to sound "classically" epic to be progressive (even though Jonny Greenwood is a great classical composer as well, working with Penderecki on his last album for example). I could go on and on, but I think we all get the gist. Radiohead are progressive in their own right. It's not within the prog rock genre, but progressive rock should never be a genre, but always an attitude towards music. But to not make this another WHAT IS PROGRESSIVE ROCK thread, I rest my case.
Otherwise I just dont get how it becomes this important if Radiohead is Prog or not, or how prog on a scale from 1-5 is wilson (yesterdays topic). Its music ! its not important to design a perfect box to fit it into.
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 06:56
Radiohead incorporate more experimentation and carefully consider their song-structures and textures of sound moreso than most of their contemporaries. Having said, I dislike (intensely) that 'Creep' song of theirs, listened to O.K. Computer when it came out and thought they were trying hard to rip off Floyd and Porcupine Tree (at least in atmosphere) but still remaining firmly an 'indie' band.................................Fast forward.......................I bought the dbl 10" vinyl edition of Kid A to see what all the fuss was about, and, lo and behold, what a fantastic album it turned out to be. It is definately a progressive work, although not in the 'traditional' sense.
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 08:38
tamijo wrote:
Lets agree to call it prog - Radiohead, Coldplay, REM, Muse, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, the lot.
Lets call it all prog, because it sounds sooooo much better if you call it prog.
What im saying lets spend more time talking about what we like about music, band, artist.
And stop all this about how prog or not prog it is.
Well that's kind of tough when this is a prog discussion site.
I like Muse a lot but there is no way they are as experimental as Radiohead, comparing Radiohead to Coldplay is just bizarre (and I like Coldplay too!)
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 08:50
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
tamijo wrote:
Lets agree to call it prog - Radiohead, Coldplay, REM, Muse, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, the lot.
Lets call it all prog, because it sounds sooooo much better if you call it prog.
What im saying lets spend more time talking about what we like about music, band, artist.
And stop all this about how prog or not prog it is.
Well that's kind of tough when this is a prog discussion site.
I like Muse a lot but there is no way they are as experimental as Radiohead, comparing Radiohead to Coldplay is just bizarre (and I like Coldplay too!)
Just because its a prog site, dosent mean, its important to allways focus on putting everything into genre boxing.
I dont like Radiohead much, been trying because some of my friends do, they just dont click with me.
but im not saying they are not prog, dosent change anything if they are prog or not, i just know i dont like them much.
Im bored after 2nd track.
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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