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Easy Livin 
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 Topic: Olias Vs Fish out of water
Posted: August 24 2011 at 15:01 |
I'll close this one to allow Jean to create a new one permitting only single votes. 
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 13:49 |
LOL, if the labels see this, they'll release a new edition of Fish Out of the Water albums. 
Please,. stop multiple option polls
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FunkyHomoSapien
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 09:40 |
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chopper
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 07:17 |
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This is getting silly now.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 07:09 |
French out of water? 
 chopper wrote:
I see this poll allows multiple votes, that explains a lot. |
I gave a few votes for Olias, but seeing Fish was behind I gave it a few more. 
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Lol, 100,00 Frenchmen can't be wrong, huh?
Olias of Sunhillow is New Age in the exact same way that Led Zeppelin I is prog. Their entrance stamps are backdated. |
That's why I said some sort of Proto New Age  |
I don't have a problem with that. Some others that fit that bill: Sally Oldfield's Water Bearer, Shadowfax's Watercourse Way, Jon and Vangelis' Short Stories, and yes, even Fish Out Of Water.
Edited by Slartibartfast - August 24 2011 at 07:29
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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jean-marie
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 06:40 |
Yes! bad joke and always these sarcasms about frenchies even throught music lovers....Man isn't about to change....So sad...
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chopper
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 06:36 |
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I see this poll allows multiple votes, that explains a lot.
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chopper
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 06:34 |
I'm quite surprised Fish is so far ahead. I like both but I think I love Olias a bit more.
PS - I've seen rumours of JA recording Olias II.
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 05:53 |
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Effectively I don't understand the meaning of "French Men". A hacker maybe?
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jean-marie
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 05:45 |
What about the french men? i was the only one on this poll...and the result...It's stupid 
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 03:41 |
112 ???? I have voted Fish, but I'm not sure that he has sold so many copies  That's really strange, even because I see no sense in bribing in a poll in general and on this one in particular. Who likes Fish would probably like Olias, too.
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Posted: August 24 2011 at 03:31 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Lol, 100,00 Frenchmen can't be wrong, huh?
Olias of Sunhillow is New Age in the exact same way that Led Zeppelin I is prog. Their entrance stamps are backdated. |
  That's what puzzles me: When I looked in this thread for the last time, Fish had just a few more votes than Olias, but now it is 112 against 21. I don't know if the Frenchmen are behind this, though...
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 23 2011 at 18:10 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Lol, 100,00 Frenchmen can't be wrong, huh?
Olias of Sunhillow is New Age in the exact same way that Led Zeppelin I is prog. Their entrance stamps are backdated. |
That's why I said some sort of Proto New Age
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: August 23 2011 at 17:20 |
Lol, 100,00 Frenchmen can't be wrong, huh?
Olias of Sunhillow is New Age in the exact same way that Led Zeppelin I is prog. Their entrance stamps are backdated.
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Posted: August 23 2011 at 17:05 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
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plus I believe New Age has no relation with Prog. |
Incorrect. There is certainly room for a New Age prog out there. However, I will grant that nobody has attempted New Age prog in a compelling way yet. It is still mostly fallow ground |
That's exactly my point, nothing exists until invented.
I don't absolutely deny the possibility of some sort of Prog New Age MAY be created, but until TODAY, New Age has no relation.
I never believed something like Prog Salsa could exist, but Santana mixes Salsa elements with Proggy passages and IMO Ruben Blades has created several proggy salsa tunes in "Maestra Vida", not enough to add him, but he's in the way.
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
BTW II: On an interview for New Age Music World, Jon admits he's part of the New Age Movement
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Jon Anderson: Music takes on your Sacred Journey, I have a deep belief that we are changing for the better again, and music can be a sign post to what is happening around the world, people all over the world ‘love’ music, so why not enjoy being a part of the ‘new age’… |
So as usual, I go to the source directly |
Some people will believe whatever they read. First note the magazine's title. Of course Jon is going to claim the he does New Age music, which of course is true now. But the quote has nothing to do with Olias and obviously antedates Olias by many years. |
I believe in what Jon says, specially if I agree with that belief.
IMO Olias has a lot of New Age elements (As ATOTT has Neo Prog elements), despite it predates New Age...But not only Olias, also his albums with Vangelis except maybe parts of "Short Stories".
No matter where Jon said he's part of the New Age movement, he said it, I'm sure that if he was interviewed for a metal magazine, he would never say he is part of the Metal movement
And I'm not alone, Google Olias Of Sunhillow - New Age, and you will even find people claiming Olias is the first new Age album ever.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: August 23 2011 at 16:06 |
Lark the Starless wrote:
I'm surprised at the bashing of Jon's album.
I think it's a pretty good one myself.
I've yet to hear Chris' though.
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It's worth a listen. As other people have mentioned, Silently Falling is exquisite. Lucky Seven is tasteful muted jazz. Cannon Song is a small, mediocre epic type things. Hold Out Your Hand and With You By My Side are two decent songs that suffer from Chris singing vocals. It's a good album, but it doesn't have the scope, the grandeur or the charm of Olias. On the other hand, Fish is a more consistant production, lacking the few low points Olias has.
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Posted: August 23 2011 at 16:01 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
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I said Proto New Age only because the term New Age Music started to be used in the late 70's and Olias is from 1976. |
Correct. Olias predates New Age by several years. Neither would most of the tracks on it qualify as New Age music now.
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
.BTW: I wouldn't add a single sub-genre to Prog Archives, I believe we have at least 2 or 3 that are unnecessary. |
Correct again.
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
plus I believe New Age has no relation with Prog. |
Incorrect. There is certainly room for a New Age prog out there. However, I will grant that nobody has attempted New Age prog in a compelling way yet. It is still mostly fallow ground.
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
BTW II: On an interview for New Age Music World, Jon admits he's part of the New Age Movement
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Jon Anderson: Music takes on your Sacred Journey, I have a deep belief that we are changing for the better again, and music can be a sign post to what is happening around the world, people all over the world ‘love’ music, so why not enjoy being a part of the ‘new age’… |
So as usual, I go to the source directly |
Some people will believe whatever they read. First note the magazine's title. Of course Jon is going to claim the he does New Age music, which of course is true now. But the quote has nothing to do with Olias and obviously antedates Olias by many years.
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Posted: August 23 2011 at 14:17 |
Epignosis wrote:
As a musician, Squire. As a drinker, Anderson.
I cannot choose.
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I will choose though. Olias works those milky-way aural paths so befitting of Jon. The ol´ hippy yogi - talking mantra and spirituality and nowhere better than on this release. And I just voted for fish in another poll - the singer.
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Posted: August 23 2011 at 10:14 |
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16 for Olias, not that bad...but i knew Fish would be the winner
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Posted: August 21 2011 at 14:05 |
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For me Chris Squire but Olias of Sunhillow is really good
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