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GypsyJoker 
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 Posted: August 21 2011 at 09:21 |
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Nothing against Olias, but Fish is as good or better than any of the Yes albums that came after it. In fact, it might be evidence that Squire's waning influence on the band's songwriting (with the primary exception of Drama) is the biggest reason for the band's decline.
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Mr B
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Posted: August 21 2011 at 09:12 |
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Easy choice....Fish Out of Water. A great CD.
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octopus-4
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Posted: August 21 2011 at 07:42 |
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I would support Vollenweider, at least "Book Of Roses" is progressive.
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Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half.
My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
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The-time-is-now
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Posted: August 21 2011 at 07:19 |
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Squire.
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 One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D
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jean-marie
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Posted: August 20 2011 at 18:14 |
Well! thanks you Octopus and Slarti to explain my ideas in a better way than me, my english is so poor,it's my problem, PA is the best site to talk about music, but my english is so  I do realy think ther's a link between Prog and the best New age music, one from the best head music is IMHO New age of earth by Ash Ra Manuel Gotching so.......and i'm still wondering why vollenweider is not seen as a Prog musician, his music is so 
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Lark the Starless
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Posted: August 20 2011 at 16:52 |
I'm surprised at the bashing of Jon's album.
I think it's a pretty good one myself.
I've yet to hear Chris' though.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 20 2011 at 14:49 |
 Slartibartfast wrote:
Thanks for that.
New Age doesn't automatically equal crap guys. Once you take that attitude you are cutting yourself off from some good music.
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In no way I said it's crap (The member who mentioned the word Garbage wasn't me) , I like some New Age, like Kitaro, Issao Tomita, Andreas Vollenweider, but can't stand Jon Anderson's solo stuff (Neither The Friends of Mr Cairo  ), Yanni or Enya, the three work like Valium.
What I said is that New Age is not Prog, and I find no connection between both, except for some artists who moved from one genre to the other.
New Age is closer to Ambient or Contemporary Adult Instrumental than to Prog.
Iván
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 20 2011 at 14:26 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
jean-marie wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
jean-marie wrote:
Olias new age? |
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I never use the word garbage to refer to a song, artist or album.
I said Proto New Age only because the term New Age Music started to be used in the late 70's and Olias is from 1976.
BTW: I wouldn't add a single sub-genre to Prog Archives, I believe we have at least 2 or 3 that are unnecessary, plus I believe New Age has no relation with Prog
Iván
BTW II: On an interview for New Age Music World, Jon admits he's part of the New Age Movement
| JP Olsen: Early in your career you were leader of Yes, a phenomenal and popular Rock group, yet you also produced music in less mainstream genres, including New Age and Contemporary Christian music. What is the reason you performed in respected but less mainstream music? Jon Anderson: Music takes on your Sacred Journey, I have a deep belief that we are changing for the better again, and music can be a sign post to what is happening around the world, people all over the world ‘love’ music, so why not enjoy being a part of the ‘new age’… |
So as usual, I go to the source directly
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Thanks for that. New Age doesn't automatically equal crap guys. Once you take that attitude you are cutting yourself off from some good music.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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octopus-4
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Posted: August 20 2011 at 13:53 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I believe New Age has no relation with Prog
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I think that newage is borderline with prog. I have approached newage music (not the movement) in the 80s, when there was lack of good prog and I was looking for instrumentals longer than 3 minutes.
Lucia Hwong (with Alan Stivell featuring in all her albums), Kitaro (former Far East Family Band), Mark Isham (check out his "Tibet") are just examples. I feel them closer to prog than some artists already on PA.
Other than Jon Anderson also Rick Wakeman, Vangelis, Tangerine Dream, Pat Metheny , Peter Bardens to mention some artists on PA have done newage.
Of course I like prog more, but digging into the newage world you can find interesting things, though I would never suggest Yanni for addition.
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Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half.
My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
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yanch
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Posted: August 20 2011 at 09:14 |
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Fish Out of Water.
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jean-marie
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 21:00 |
Mellotron Storm wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
As a musician, Squire. As a drinker, Anderson.
I cannot choose.
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I'm not sure what that means but it was funny.  I understood he prefers listening to Olias when he's a bit drunk.. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 20:41 |
jean-marie wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
jean-marie wrote:
Olias new age? |
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I never use the word garbage to refer to a song, artist or album.
I said Proto New Age only because the term New Age Music started to be used in the late 70's and Olias is from 1976.
BTW: I wouldn't add a single sub-genre to Prog Archives, I believe we have at least 2 or 3 that are unnecessary, plus I believe New Age has no relation with Prog
Iván
BTW II: On an interview for New Age Music World, Jon admits he's part of the New Age Movement
| JP Olsen: Early in your career you were leader of Yes, a phenomenal and popular Rock group, yet you also produced music in less mainstream genres, including New Age and Contemporary Christian music. What is the reason you performed in respected but less mainstream music? Jon Anderson: Music takes on your Sacred Journey, I have a deep belief that we are changing for the better again, and music can be a sign post to what is happening around the world, people all over the world ‘love’ music, so why not enjoy being a part of the ‘new age’… |
So as usual, I go to the source directly
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 19 2011 at 20:58
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 20:24 |
Epignosis wrote:
As a musician, Squire. As a drinker, Anderson.
I cannot choose.
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I'm not sure what that means but it was funny.
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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akaBona
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 17:58 |
Olias is my choise. Now I know I own one new age album  Fish is very good album and certainly better than some Yes album, ie. FFH, Drama, Big Generator, Talk, Ladder, 90125 ...
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jean-marie
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 17:35 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
jean-marie wrote:
Olias new age? |
Iván |
Edited by jean-marie - August 19 2011 at 17:37
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Ruby900
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 17:27 |
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Fish all day, everyday - I love this album! I think it has been said that this is every bit as good as many Yes albums, and better than some!
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"I always say that it’s about breaking the rules. But the secret of breaking rules in a way that works is understanding what the rules are in the first place". Rick Wakeman
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twosteves
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 16:56 |
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The one with Bruford on drums.
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Epignosis
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 16:52 |
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As a musician, Squire. As a drinker, Anderson.
I cannot choose.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 16:48 |
Yeah, I can't believe Olias is getting trashed.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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JesusisLord
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 16:21 |
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One mans boring new age garbage is another man's treasure.....Olias, one of my all time favorite albums.....Mystical,Magical,beautiful and special to me......
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And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:11
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