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fuyuakiworld
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Topic: What is it ? Posted: December 25 2011 at 04:40 |
Prog tends to attract who I like to call Nerds. DO NOT BE OFFENDED. I take pride in being a nerd as I define "nerd" as someone who can get excited or obsessive about something. And the reason why PA is so active is because it's full of Awesome, Obsessive Nerds.
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-Radioswim-
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Joined: December 15 2005
Location: United States
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Points: 331
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Posted: November 21 2011 at 10:20 |
rogerthat wrote:
My experience on metal-archives was quite similar...a loyal following, with more and more new members being added too. In metal, it is the sense of a metal culture and lifestyle which even, for its diehard followers, transcends music that brings people together. In prog, it's probably the fact that it is hard to find others whom you can talk to about some of your favourite music. One of the striking features for me on this forum is it is so easy to agree to disagree. I have seen, and participated in, long discussions with the participants not in agreement but still seeing fit to discuss. On most internet forums that I have been on, disagreements threaten to balloon and swing out of control but progheads are like economists in that regard.
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This reminds me of a lonely toned facebook status update of my just hours ago (and why I logged in today) "This music is great, but could be awesome with someone to share it with" God meant for us to share things, and with no one to share prog with, even the most sacred of musical passages are left improperly sung. This is precisely why I come here, It's just so empty without all of you
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Dust in the Kitchen
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Ronnie Pilgrim
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Joined: February 09 2010
Location: The South of TX
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Points: 771
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Posted: November 19 2011 at 19:28 |
Congratulations my ever-departing rodent! You've made Forum and Site Admin Group since I first complimented your avatar. You questioned my post with wit and aplomb. More engaging is indeed a bit of a stretch. Well moderated my friend!
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bensommer
Forum Groupie
Joined: February 28 2010
Location: Boston, MA
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Points: 64
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Posted: November 19 2011 at 19:25 |
Atavachron wrote:
What are we all doing here? Day after day, year after year, this continues to be one of the chattiest and most active music forums on the net. Is it something about Prog Rock that tends to attract some of the most dedicated and obsessive fans in the world? Could it be that Prog in its entirety was never properly preserved, and much of the lesser prog was on the verge of extinction before digital technology and worldwide access pulled it from oblivion? Or maybe the time was ripe for a nostalgic second age of rock for the brain?
What do you think..?
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Something about obscurity unites! P.s. If by Atavachron you mean Alan Holdsworth's album - my absolute FAVORITE
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ExittheLemming
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Joined: October 19 2007
Location: Penal Colony
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Points: 11415
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Posted: November 19 2011 at 18:27 |
Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:
I found this site whilst, sitting on a fence one day, searching for fellow "A Passion Play" enthusiasts. I'm still quite surprised that it has so few of them. One of those "had to be there" moments in prog, I guess. Still, the other discussions can be interesting; and on the whole I am less impressed with the Jethro Tull discography than those of King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Rush, or even the sophomoric Pink Floyd. So it is not fanboy-ism, or nostalgia, or even a common bond with other members that intrigues me about dropping in from time to time. Some members share my sense of humor, some my taste in music, and some my fondness for BEER! But I think the premise of the thread is questionable - where is the evidence that this site is more engaging than other music genre-specific sites to their members?
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I suspect your inference about the premise of the thread has to be questionable. Atavachron's OP does not claim that PA is more engaging than other genre specific music sites. One of the chattiest and most active were the extent of his claims. Time to come down from that fence Pilgrim.
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Tapfret
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: August 12 2007
Location: Bryant, Wa
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Points: 8576
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Posted: November 19 2011 at 16:17 |
^I am 'opping mad at this sort of talk.
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Ronnie Pilgrim
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Joined: February 09 2010
Location: The South of TX
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Points: 771
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Posted: November 19 2011 at 14:12 |
I found this site whilst, sitting on a fence one day, searching for fellow "A Passion Play" enthusiasts. I'm still quite surprised that it has so few of them. One of those "had to be there" moments in prog, I guess. Still, the other discussions can be interesting; and on the whole I am less impressed with the Jethro Tull discography than those of King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Rush, or even the sophomoric Pink Floyd. So it is not fanboy-ism, or nostalgia, or even a common bond with other members that intrigues me about dropping in from time to time. Some members share my sense of humor, some my taste in music, and some my fondness for BEER! But I think the premise of the thread is questionable - where is the evidence that this site is more engaging than other music genre-specific sites to their members?
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cstack3
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Location: Tucson, AZ USA
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Posted: November 19 2011 at 13:41 |
If no one has said this yet, I truly appreciate all the hard work and time that the site administrators, moderators and collaborators put into PA!
I've learned a LOT about a music form that I thought I was expert in, and learn more every day. Interacting with many of you (and, *ahem* razzing a few of you) makes it even more worthwhile!
PARTY!! I wish I were a 1% guy, I'd throw a bash for the entire crew! Lear Jets for everyone!! Pack your bags!
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Gerinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 10 2010
Location: Barcelona Spain
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Points: 5093
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Posted: November 19 2011 at 13:23 |
lazland wrote:
What an absolutely fantastic, thoughtful, intelligent, and truthful post this is.
Thanks Gerinski - it is posts such as this that reaffirm my faith in the site |
C'mon don't need to pamper me, you'l make me blush
It's all the people who post and review 1000 times more than me who are to be praised, it's them who altruistically put their knowledge at disposal of all the rest of us in this site.
I think I suck 1000 knowledge units out of this site for each 10 that I put in, so it's a purely self-interested trade
No wait, besides that it's also true that I really enjoy the kindness, ingenuity and humour of most of you out there !
Edited by Gerinski - November 19 2011 at 13:24
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hobocamp
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 17 2010
Location: Fine Furniture
Status: Offline
Points: 525
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Posted: November 19 2011 at 12:51 |
Let's just say this is pornography for music lovers and never speak of it again.
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lazland
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 28 2008
Location: Wales
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Points: 13260
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Posted: November 19 2011 at 12:45 |
Gerinski wrote:
Maybe it sounds a bit selfish but I visit PA mostly to learn. The collective of PA members has a huge body of knowledge about the kind of music I like and it's the easiest and cheapest way to learn about new bands, new albums, facts I did not know about bands I thought I knew well...
It helps me to decide which albums I'd like to buy minimising the risk of wasting money in things I will not like, as so frequently happened before the digital age when you bought a lot of LPs based on intuition or because they had a nice cover art, but you got it wrong.
And if now and then I can contribute with my own little knowledge and provide some useful information to another PA member all the better, it makes me feel good, as if I had done my "little good action of the day", helped someone.
As they say, the beauty of knowledge is that it does not behave arithmetically. If I have 100 euro and give them to you, I don't have them anymore, I lost them. But if I know something and I give that knowledge to you, then we both have it, I didn't loose any of it.
I don't have much time to post, but when I can it can be nice just for the fun ot it too! |
What an absolutely fantastic, thoughtful, intelligent, and truthful post this is.
Thanks Gerinski - it is posts such as this that reaffirm my faith in the site
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Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
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Gerinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 10 2010
Location: Barcelona Spain
Status: Offline
Points: 5093
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Posted: November 19 2011 at 06:34 |
Maybe it sounds a bit selfish but I visit PA mostly to learn. The collective of PA members has a huge body of knowledge about the kind of music I like and it's the easiest and cheapest way to learn about new bands, new albums, facts I did not know about bands I thought I knew well...
It helps me to decide which albums I'd like to buy minimising the risk of wasting money in things I will not like, as so frequently happened before the digital age when you bought a lot of LPs based on intuition or because they had a nice cover art, but you got it wrong.
And if now and then I can contribute with my own little knowledge and provide some useful information to another PA member all the better, it makes me feel good, as if I had done my "little good action of the day", helped someone.
As they say, the beauty of knowledge is that it does not behave arithmetically. If I have 100 euro and give them to you, I don't have them anymore, I lost them. But if I know something and I give that knowledge to you, then we both have it, I didn't loose any of it.
I don't have much time to post, but when I can it can be nice just for the fun ot it too!
Edited by Gerinski - November 19 2011 at 07:17
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octopus-4
Special Collaborator
RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams
Joined: October 31 2006
Location: Italy
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Points: 13384
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Posted: November 19 2011 at 05:20 |
btw, Douglas Adams is the guy who suggested "A momentary leapse of reason" as a title for an album...
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Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
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octopus-4
Special Collaborator
RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams
Joined: October 31 2006
Location: Italy
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Posted: November 19 2011 at 05:18 |
And thanks for all the fish
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Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
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Big Ears
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Joined: February 08 2005
Location: Hants, England
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Points: 727
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Posted: November 19 2011 at 05:09 |
The answer to life, the universe and everything is:
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Hober Mallow
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Joined: July 26 2011
Location: Everywhere
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Points: 178
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 01:34 |
Logan wrote:
Mostly I'm still here because I'm a pathetic procrastinator, but I do value this place as a means to explore and discover music and communicate with people about music and music related issues. Like others, I have no one in so-called real life to chat about these kinds of music with. And this is a place where I can be absurd/ inane or acerbic at times and not have to really worry about the consequences. |
This is what I'm doing.
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“When Fortuna spins you downward, go out to a movie and get more out of life.” John Kennedy Toole
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caretaker
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Joined: April 19 2010
Location: united states
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Posted: October 28 2011 at 21:12 |
Oops! Meant to click Allrecipes.
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tupan
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Location: Brazil
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Points: 1225
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Posted: October 28 2011 at 18:53 |
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"Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen)
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silverpot
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Location: Sweden
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Posted: October 28 2011 at 17:25 |
@Toddler. Thank you for your extensive answer. I love the Kronos Quartet, I never thought they'd be on PA however. As always, it's hard to figure out what prog really is. I'll check out Art Zoyd and the others you mentioned.
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TODDLER
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Location: Vineland, N.J.
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Posted: October 28 2011 at 15:09 |
The last release from Univers Zero is closer to being defined as a form of classy Chamber music than Chamber rock. A good healthy method of preparing your ears for Rio or what I call Chamber Rock is to check out a cd titled "Winter is Hard" by Kronos Quartet. Here a piece like Fratres ....Arvo Part...realized by Thomas Hofer is an introduction to the style present in Rio. Or Quartet NO. 3 By Alfred Schnittke and even Terry Riley's "Half-Wolf Dances Mad In Moonlight" performed ONLY by Kronos Quartet is a wonderful introduction to the style in RIO. Although I am not a fan of Terry Riley's works.....the piece is representive stylistically of what makes itself present in Chamber Rock or Rio. One Kronos Quartet release is basically a variety of pieces from various composers being a great introduction to what is out there.
The jazz side to RIO can be enjoyable and it can be found on many of the early Zappa releases....however I much prefer to hear the Patrick Zimmerli Ensemble instead. To make the distinction between the common sounding "Chamber Rock" and Jazz you must be able to pick up on the particular choice of notes utilized for improvisiation in both. This is how Jazz improv makes itself available in Rio. For example.....notes that were written out for a piece of music by George Crumb are improvised on sax creating a Jazz feel. Notes played on bassoon, oboe, violin, and English horn in a Univers Zero piece can be improvised in a Jazz style by Patrick Zimmerli Ensemble giving a composition the feel of a Chamber Rock piece. Rio is composition and improvisation based around the notes written in the music of 20th century composers. Some people think it is all loosely connected until they learn to play an instrument and realize one day that the notes they learned in a Rio piece....they previously played and connected the same way in Bernard Hermann's The Day the Earth Stood Still. Regarding the educational aspect of this music all the examples I have given are directly connected ...not loosely. The loosely connected aspect to it all is in some of Fripp's playing on the early Crimson releases or Gentle Giant where for example they harmonize on the piece "Knots". Band's like Art Zoyd and Univers Zero took the music further than that attempting to arrive closer to the 20th century Avant-Garde mentality.
Edited by TODDLER - October 28 2011 at 15:12
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