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Topic: The Grateful Dead?? Posted: July 10 2013 at 01:37 |
By--Tor wrote:
American Beauty is one of the all time great albums. It was the first Dead album I ever heard and to this day its the one I still listen to the most. |
Yeah - wow, Sugar Magnolia, Ripple, Attics of my Life - they sure knew how to write a song. Precious album for sure, but AoxomoxoA is my obsession with them (or Live Dead).
There's some really good tracks on 'Shakedown Street' too - the title song is one of my faves.
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Posted: July 09 2013 at 01:41 |
American Beauty is one of the all time great albums. It was the first Dead album I ever heard and to this day its the one I still listen to the most.
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Posted: July 03 2013 at 22:23 |
Volumes 3 and 7 of the DP series are my faves, fwiw
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Posted: July 03 2013 at 15:26 |
I am a little reluctant to get into the Dead. Their vast back catalogue has the capability of bankrupting me! When I get into a band I tend to go the whole hog (much to the chagrin of my wife!!). However, I have been listening to the album 'Nightfall of Diamonds' which is a recording of a 1989 concert, and it sounds great to me.
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Posted: July 01 2013 at 23:51 |
^ Exactly. My favourite combo.
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Posted: July 01 2013 at 23:45 |
Grateful Dead was an American rock band formed in 1965 in Palo Alto, California.[1][2] The band was known for its unique and eclectic style, which fused elements of rock, folk, bluegrass, blues, reggae, country, improvisational jazz, psychedelia, and space rock,[3][4] and for live performances of long musical improvisation.[5][6] "Their music," writes Lenny Kaye, "touches on ground that most other groups don't even know exists."[7] These various influences were distilled into a diverse and psychedelic whole that made the Grateful Dead "the pioneering Godfathers of the jam band world."[8] They were ranked 57th in the issue The Greatest Artists of all Time by Rolling Stonemagazine.[9] They were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1994 and their Barton Hall Concert at Cornell University (May 8, 1977) was added to the Library of Congress's National Recording Registry.[10] The Grateful Dead have sold more than 35 million albums worldwide.
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Posted: June 29 2013 at 23:42 |
I love the Dead...but am unusual in that I like their studio albums much more than the live ones. AOXOMOXOA, Workingman's, American Beauty, Wake of the Flood, and my favourite - Mars Hotel are all excellent. I always considered "Unbroken Chain" and "China Doll" to be prog tracks and laughingly refer to the Dead as my favourite prog-boogie band
As far as live, it took a long time but I did find a couple albums that I love, "100 Years Hall" and the 4CD "Live at the Fillmore East". I find I don't really care for Mickey Hart and the 2 drummer thing they did and both these live albums feature Bill Kreutzman as the only drummer which works for me.
As far as the Dead keyboard question that's floating around. I much prefer Pigpen's organ work over all the others.
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Posted: June 28 2013 at 03:36 |
smartpatrol wrote:
or anything you think is really exceptional. | The Closing of Winterland (dvd)
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Posted: June 27 2013 at 22:23 |
Wake? Workingman's? Terrapin?
for live, Dead Set and Reckoning, or maybe Europe '72
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Posted: June 27 2013 at 22:17 |
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k so I want some album suggestions So far I've heard everything from Anthem of the Sun to American Beauty, Blues for Allah, and Skeletons from the Closet, and my favorites from those have been Blues for Allah, Live/Dead, and American Beauty. Try to recommend me something based on that, or anything you think is really exceptional.
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That's their best period imo..up to Blues For Allah.........I personally like Aoxomoxoa and Mars Hotel.
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Posted: June 27 2013 at 18:51 |
k so I want some album suggestions So far I've heard everything from Anthem of the Sun to American Beauty, Blues for Allah, and Skeletons from the Closet, and my favorites from those have been Blues for Allah, Live/Dead, and American Beauty. Try to recommend me something based on that, or anything you think is really exceptional.
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Posted: May 15 2013 at 13:15 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Anthem, AoxomoxoA and Live Dead are my Dead. Blues For Allah is also amazing...........hmmm, even Wake Of The Flood with its rustic feel. American Beauty has some terrific toons as well. Can't go around amassing any more Dead albums coz life's too short........... |
That works for me.....but I usually will play Aoxomoxoa the most , but I have to be in a 'certain mood'. | AoxomoxoA - there are 2 versions of this album - original mix, and a 1971 re-mix. They both have their pros and cons. A story here : I originally had purchased the 1971 re-mix album back in the late 80's and, to cut a long story short, after a few years, I accidentally dropped a 'Boss' bass-pedal right on the album (butter-fingers.....) and it virtually cracked in half (the record, not the pedal) . It took me several years to come across another copy, this time, lo and behold, a French pressing with the GD writing in white (not the black heading) and the original mix - for a measley 7 bucks. Really, a treasure to enjoy. 'What's Become Of The Baby' is so way different and superior to the re-mix. I do recall on the later version, Lesh's bass was more up-front, but the original is superb. And I am always in that 'certain mood' these days - permanently.................(no quite a Barrett case luckily.........)....... |
My vinyl copy is an original purchased about 6 months after it came out so I assume it's the orignal mix..?
| Must be !! If it has Lesh's bass chords and the A-Cappella bit at the end of 'Doin' That Rag' then for sure it's the original (they left that completely off the re-mix). Far more spontaneous and psychedelic overall. And you're so lucky to have been around for its release. I wasn't even thought of then. I absolutely love that album - kicks the ass off a lot of Prog really. The Airplane's 'After Bathing At Baxter's' is easily as good, and Quicksilver's debut. I wish I lived in the States................ |
I was born in '51 so I was lucky enough to be around when all the great classic stuff began and developed.
I like the early Dead stuff but after Blues for Allah I kinda gave up on them....
I really like the Airplane much better...all of the early ones up to and including Blows Against The Empire.After that I kinda gave up on them too. Saw the original Jefferson Airplane at IU college in 1972 (outdoor event) along with the Byrds (minus Crosby) and Richie Havens, and BB King.
Saw some decent bands at school in those days. One of my most memorable was The James Gang with Joe Walsh. |
That's so cool !! me, I'm a product of '72, making me unlucky to be around for hideous things such as Starship ( ), Spandau Ballet and Culture Club - but I've caught up over the years.
Blows Against The Empire is a really good album - I still love Long John Silver and Baron Von Tollbooth a lot. I've gone all the way with the Jefferson albums, they were still half-decent whilst Kantner was there. Grace Slick was so hot back in the day .
I know what you mean regarding the Dead after Blues For Allah - I thought their choice for songs like 'Dancin' In The Streets' was a bit dubious. I ditched a lot of post-Allah albums from my collection ages ago.
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Posted: May 14 2013 at 10:15 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Anthem, AoxomoxoA and Live Dead are my Dead. Blues For Allah is also amazing...........hmmm, even Wake Of The Flood with its rustic feel. American Beauty has some terrific toons as well. Can't go around amassing any more Dead albums coz life's too short........... |
That works for me.....but I usually will play Aoxomoxoa the most , but I have to be in a 'certain mood'. | AoxomoxoA - there are 2 versions of this album - original mix, and a 1971 re-mix. They both have their pros and cons. A story here : I originally had purchased the 1971 re-mix album back in the late 80's and, to cut a long story short, after a few years, I accidentally dropped a 'Boss' bass-pedal right on the album (butter-fingers.....) and it virtually cracked in half (the record, not the pedal) . It took me several years to come across another copy, this time, lo and behold, a French pressing with the GD writing in white (not the black heading) and the original mix - for a measley 7 bucks. Really, a treasure to enjoy. 'What's Become Of The Baby' is so way different and superior to the re-mix. I do recall on the later version, Lesh's bass was more up-front, but the original is superb. And I am always in that 'certain mood' these days - permanently.................(no quite a Barrett case luckily.........)....... |
My vinyl copy is an original purchased about 6 months after it came out so I assume it's the orignal mix..?
| Must be !! If it has Lesh's bass chords and the A-Cappella bit at the end of 'Doin' That Rag' then for sure it's the original (they left that completely off the re-mix). Far more spontaneous and psychedelic overall. And you're so lucky to have been around for its release. I wasn't even thought of then. I absolutely love that album - kicks the ass off a lot of Prog really. The Airplane's 'After Bathing At Baxter's' is easily as good, and Quicksilver's debut. I wish I lived in the States................ |
I was born in '51 so I was lucky enough to be around when all the great classic stuff began and developed. I like the early Dead stuff but after Blues for Allah I kinda gave up on them.... I really like the Airplane much better...all of the early ones up to and including Blows Against The Empire.After that I kinda gave up on them too. Saw the original Jefferson Airplane at IU college in 1972 (outdoor event) along with the Byrds (minus Crosby) and Richie Havens, and BB King. Saw some decent bands at school in those days. One of my most memorable was The James Gang with Joe Walsh.
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Posted: May 14 2013 at 03:29 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Anthem, AoxomoxoA and Live Dead are my Dead. Blues For Allah is also amazing...........hmmm, even Wake Of The Flood with its rustic feel. American Beauty has some terrific toons as well. Can't go around amassing any more Dead albums coz life's too short........... |
That works for me.....but I usually will play Aoxomoxoa the most , but I have to be in a 'certain mood'. | AoxomoxoA - there are 2 versions of this album - original mix, and a 1971 re-mix. They both have their pros and cons. A story here : I originally had purchased the 1971 re-mix album back in the late 80's and, to cut a long story short, after a few years, I accidentally dropped a 'Boss' bass-pedal right on the album (butter-fingers.....) and it virtually cracked in half (the record, not the pedal) . It took me several years to come across another copy, this time, lo and behold, a French pressing with the GD writing in white (not the black heading) and the original mix - for a measley 7 bucks. Really, a treasure to enjoy. 'What's Become Of The Baby' is so way different and superior to the re-mix. I do recall on the later version, Lesh's bass was more up-front, but the original is superb. And I am always in that 'certain mood' these days - permanently.................(no quite a Barrett case luckily.........)....... |
My vinyl copy is an original purchased about 6 months after it came out so I assume it's the orignal mix..?
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Must be !! If it has Lesh's bass chords and the A-Cappella bit at the end of 'Doin' That Rag' then for sure it's the original (they left that completely off the re-mix). Far more spontaneous and psychedelic overall. And you're so lucky to have been around for its release. I wasn't even thought of then. I absolutely love that album - kicks the ass off a lot of Prog really. The Airplane's 'After Bathing At Baxter's' is easily as good, and Quicksilver's debut. I wish I lived in the States................
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Posted: May 13 2013 at 15:21 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Anthem, AoxomoxoA and Live Dead are my Dead. Blues For Allah is also amazing...........hmmm, even Wake Of The Flood with its rustic feel. American Beauty has some terrific toons as well. Can't go around amassing any more Dead albums coz life's too short........... |
That works for me.....but I usually will play Aoxomoxoa the most , but I have to be in a 'certain mood'. | AoxomoxoA - there are 2 versions of this album - original mix, and a 1971 re-mix. They both have their pros and cons. A story here : I originally had purchased the 1971 re-mix album back in the late 80's and, to cut a long story short, after a few years, I accidentally dropped a 'Boss' bass-pedal right on the album (butter-fingers.....) and it virtually cracked in half (the record, not the pedal) . It took me several years to come across another copy, this time, lo and behold, a French pressing with the GD writing in white (not the black heading) and the original mix - for a measley 7 bucks. Really, a treasure to enjoy. 'What's Become Of The Baby' is so way different and superior to the re-mix. I do recall on the later version, Lesh's bass was more up-front, but the original is superb. And I am always in that 'certain mood' these days - permanently.................(no quite a Barrett case luckily.........)....... |
My vinyl copy is an original purchased about 6 months after it came out so I assume it's the orignal mix..?
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 19:26 |
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I've been thinking about my answer for a long time, and I still don't have a good answer. I feel like I should have an opinion on this, but I just don't. Keyboards have always kind of been a background thing for the Dead. Each of them made their subtle but substantial contributions to the group while they were there, and pretty much helped define the various eras the band went through. |
Yes, well, they each had stamped their own personality on the music. Pigpen played well (despite his anything-but-a-keyboard-player image ), T.C. was a serious experimentalist who worked wonders on the 'Anthem....' album. I guess the most technically proficient player was Keith - he had such a varied rig, adding lots of textures to the band's sound. Brent was better in the earlier days ('Dead Set' is a good example) but eventually just stuck to piano and Hammond. Actually, I recall reading something from an interview where Brent said something like this - The music of Grateful Dead is so spontaneous and spur-of-the-moment that by the time he programmed suitable sounds on his keyboards (he did have a mini-moog and some polysynths) the band had moved into another territory.......... I can agree with him 110 %.
Welnick was in 'The Tubes' and guested with Todd Rundgren - I never liked his approach, nor do I think anything of Bruce Hornsby (bland city for me). Anyway, it is difficult to single out any of their keyboardists - perhaps Keith was the one who was into the keyboards most.......?
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 19:04 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Anthem, AoxomoxoA and Live Dead are my Dead. Blues For Allah is also amazing...........hmmm, even Wake Of The Flood with its rustic feel. American Beauty has some terrific toons as well. Can't go around amassing any more Dead albums coz life's too short........... |
That works for me.....but I usually will play Aoxomoxoa the most , but I have to be in a 'certain mood'. |
AoxomoxoA - there are 2 versions of this album - original mix, and a 1971 re-mix. They both have their pros and cons. A story here : I originally had purchased the 1971 re-mix album back in the late 80's and, to cut a long story short, after a few years, I accidentally dropped a 'Boss' bass-pedal right on the album (butter-fingers.....) and it virtually cracked in half (the record, not the pedal) . It took me several years to come across another copy, this time, lo and behold, a French pressing with the GD writing in white (not the black heading) and the original mix - for a measley 7 bucks. Really, a treasure to enjoy. 'What's Become Of The Baby' is so way different and superior to the re-mix. I do recall on the later version, Lesh's bass was more up-front, but the original is superb. And I am always in that 'certain mood' these days - permanently.................(no quite a Barrett case luckily.........).......
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 13:43 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
Anthem, AoxomoxoA and Live Dead are my Dead. Blues For Allah is also amazing...........hmmm, even Wake Of The Flood with its rustic feel. American Beauty has some terrific toons as well. Can't go around amassing any more Dead albums coz life's too short........... |
That works for me.....but I usually will play Aoxomoxoa the most , but I have to be in a 'certain mood'.
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 07:16 |
I've been thinking about my answer for a long time, and I still don't have a good answer. I feel like I should have an opinion on this, but I just don't. Keyboards have always kind of been a background thing for the Dead. Each of them made their subtle but substantial contributions to the group while they were there, and pretty much helped define the various eras the band went through.
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 02:56 |
Just keeping this Dead-thread alive .
Any folks have a favourite GD keyboardist ??
Let's see : Pigpen (Ron McKernan) - blues styled
T.C. (Tom Constanten) - avant-garde
Keith Godchaux - more jazz oriented than anything
Brent Mydland - straight ahead 'Rock' styling
Then I guess they had Vince Welnick helping out but I haven't heard any post-Mydland recordings. Actually, the last album I have of theirs is the triple Live album 'Without A Net'. Brent's rather 'plasticky' piano sound grates on me after a while and kills every intention of me listening to the entire thing in one fell swoop, but the other members are sounding great.
Loving Quicksilver Messenger Service a bit lately as well.
Edited by Tom Ozric - May 11 2013 at 19:30
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