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Posted: May 30 2012 at 18:03
I actually think their best album is the first one without him, Stranded.
I thought the case was that he quit because he wanted to be his own boss, but he might've ended up going anyway had he tried to stay, due to a deteriorating relationship with Ferry.
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 01:24
Dayvenkirq wrote:
tamijo wrote:
MagicMoo wrote:
Hi everybody!
After hearing Roxy Music's debut, Keith Emerson
Who TF is Kath Emerson
Just a joke, indirectly setting up the question : Who cares what Kieth Emerson thinks, especialy what he thinks about Eno. As long as we got no link to what he did say, its difficult to comment on it.
Eno's way of thinking music is what makes him special. Very special.
He never pretended that he was a great keyboard player or singer, if/when he needs tech. skill, he get help from others.
Or even more often, its people with tech skill's, that ask Eno, to help make interesting music, from those skills they got.
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 01:40
Dean wrote:
^ Eno couldn't play a keyboard when he was in Roxy Music
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ Ferry did the keyboard job.
Really?
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Moogtron III wrote:
Too bad Eno was fired from RM. His Enossification was fabulous on early Roxy. They never sounded that good anymore after Eno left. In my ever so humble opinion, of course There's more than virtuosity to keyboardists. Eno knew about atmosphere, which was great.
Fired? I thought he quit. [pulling my hair.]
I read somewhere he was fired. I read that in an interview from a Dutch journalist, Jip Golsteijn, with Bryan Ferry in the 1970's. Golsteijn asked Ferry: why did you fire Eno? and Ferry turned pale and said: 'Next question, please'. Golsteijn didn't want to ask anymore questions. Years later Golsteijn arranged another interview with Ferry, asked the same question and then Ferry said smiling: 'What an interesting question'
But now I don't know what to believe. It was said that Ferry didn't want a soloist next to him, but when I hear now that Eno didn't play keyboards... Amazing
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 02:28
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ I believe you could actually hook up a keyboard to a VCS3, which is what Eno used to work with.
Moogtron III wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ Ferry did the keyboard job.
Really?
As far as I know, Ferry played the Hohner piano and (I think) the Mellotron.
Eno soloing? I don't think Eno knows how to play a single instrument.
Okay, so the 'musical' keyboard / piano parts were Ferry's, and the funny out-of-this-world - sounds were Eno's. But the sounds are great and add to the atmosphere, I think.
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Posted: June 01 2012 at 06:29
I'm no authority on Roxy Music. I have a few albums, and I do like them, but Eno was a textures and atmosphere man, not a caped keyboard crusader. He was essentially a knob twiddler, more than a musician, imo, but then I don't think he's ever made any claims to being a musical genius.
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Posted: June 01 2012 at 14:47
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After hearing Roxy Music's debut, Keith Emerson did some biting remarks in Melody Maker of summer 72, criticising Brian Eno's lacking technical abilities.
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I think that those words were mean, and not quite with it.
Eno was very much a part of the schools at the time that would be later called "minimalists" or even "avant-garde", whereas Keith was nowhere near that. Eno was not interested in showing off the arpeggios on stage and then have the organ fly all over his head! I would suggest that Eno was much more interested in the SOUND itself, than he was in the notes, that supposedly made Keith a better, or more technical musician. Comparing Eno to a classically minded rock'n'roller is like night and day, bad and good, and genius or stupid!
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Now it's often stated, that without Eno their two early masterpieces (self-titled debut and For your pleasure) wouldn't have happened. Although I like his gimmickry (e.g. on Bogus Man), ...
Silly discussion. You have no criteria for stating that this could not have happened in a different combination than it was created. However, it was a time for new sounds, effects and experiments, and Eno had the opportunity to try it with a rock band, and it worked out fine. The rest is not important ... and sometimes is an abuse of the priviledge and the experience itself ...
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The single point that's distinguishing Eno's approach to music and therefore the main ingredient for his solo-career, is his unique approach to sound(s), which for Roxy Music imo is not that important. ...
That would be incorrect, because the sounds made sense in the first two albums. It might not have been as important from the 3rd album on, as they might have wanted a more cohesive/commercially accepted sound, so they would not be one of those ... that never got anywhere.
I believe, that Bryan has stated that he thought they needed to get stronger, not stranger!
And lastly ... I have never heard, in any conversations, Bryan say anything bad about Eno at all ... and he has great respect for the impressive and insane history of work that Eno has put together over the years after Roxy Music, which obviously showed that Eno was a different person that was not designed to be a rock musicians playing the same scales every night for your delectation!
Eno does not deserve to be thought of as some idiot that did not know music, because all he wanted to do was twist the knobs and make sounds. He would not have been with Roxy Music if his musicianship was not up to snuff or above those around him ... he probably knew music better than them all, or he would likely have a real hard time doing things with the many people that he has worked with ... think about it!
In some ways, and Bryan accepts this, Roxy Music and the rock thing was limited ... to eventually have to do a song for money or single that gives you some more freedom and money for your abilities and desires. Eno, for all intents and purposes, does not have to have any music company pressure or bother, when it comes to the work. It would not come out at all, if it did not sell, or be loved as much as it has been over the years.
So if you want to compare Eno to rock'n'roll, you are in the wrong building ... the rest room and the groupies are over there! I would rather spend my time with "Julie With..." anyday ... and know about the intelligence, the beauty, and what makes the music shine! ... and of course, Bryan is no slouch in that area either with some magnificent work of his own!
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Posted: June 01 2012 at 15:41
I like what Eno brought to the first 2 Roxy Music albums. That's pretty much why I like them. I think without the weird sounds and treatments, those albums are pretty much unlistenable. It was much later that the rest of the band became cohesive, and Ferry learned how to sing in tune.
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Posted: June 01 2012 at 15:46
Eno's leaving Roxy and teaming up with Fripp was the best thing that could have happened!! It's just too bad that they never formed a touring group!
One of my all-time favorite Fripp solos, check it out! I did this song live with my band Casual Crowbar (I sound quite a bit like Eno when I sing), but man, I couldn't touch this guitar solo!! Still workin' on it!!
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Posted: June 05 2012 at 17:14
I prefer Roxy Music after Eno left. Country LIfe is a great album and my favorite. And I prefer Bowie's albums prior to Eno. So, I guess I can live without any Eno, whereas others can't get enough Eno.
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Posted: June 06 2012 at 07:21
Hi,
It's hard to take that people think that Eno does not know music or can't play it. I seriously doubt that he would have ended up with the bunch of folks that show up on his albums and the stuff with Robert Fripp, although I would think that Robert for once might have said ... I don't care what you do, and I will just add to it, or you can add to what I do ... which is not something that he can do with King Crimson, because that is the one band that paid the bills for a long time and he has stated that!
The only real question, ever, about the whole thing was ... is Brian Eno, really Brian Jones? But who cares ... his work is great, and the other Brian never got the chance to do what this one did ... and he had a great start with the Pipes of Pan album ... but not sure that anyone has heard that here!
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