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Windhawk
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Topic: Neograss for Symphonic Posted: April 04 2012 at 02:26 |
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Album on Progstreaming.
Neo and Crossover teams have voted Eclectic or Symphonic for them, initial response in Eclectic is Symphonic. Incidentally, the Prog Folk team evaluated the band a couple of years ago and rejected them. |
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: April 04 2012 at 03:48 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Neograss? Okay will have a listen soon if I can pry myself away from TAAB2
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 07 2012 at 15:49 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
We have searched not only this album, but also the Bluegrass:
And their New Age release Symphonic they aren't, even their Atlantis album has a lot of New Age and Neo. Not accepted in Symphonic, I believe the only alternative is Prog Related Iván
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toremorten
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 05:42 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Just wanted to reply on this as I am composer/guitarist & mellotronist in Neograss. I find it fascinating viewing style analysis of our music. If this helps i could try to explain our progressive concepts: - The use of mellotrons.
- Composition form-Classical influenced..Sonata form..
- Song lenght...20-30 minutes
- Odd meters
- Rock grooves -8 beat & shuffle
-Lyrics about science fiction and/or legends of lost continents..not Love lyrics..... : )
- Modal harmonies
All these above mentioned concepts/techniques are well known in classical and prog/symphonic music...
So in my head when i compose/perform I always thing progressive/Symphonic Rock.. the only difference is the instrumentation... Banjo, upright bass, acoustic guitar which is more towars American Bluegrass...
Tore- Morten Andreassen : )
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lazland
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 06:48 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I voted for a move from the neo team. Given the artist himself has declared symphonic, I would suggest that we add asap. |
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Evolver
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 08:53 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This is one of those issues for us.
In Crossover, I voted to move as they seemed far too complex for the label. They absolutely belong on the site.
They sound symphonic to me, but perhaps with all of the different influences, eclectic may be the answer.
This group is far too progressive for a "Prog Related" tag.
I'd say if no one else wants them, send them back to Crossover for a re-vote.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 10:23 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Hi Tore Morten, as head of the Symphonic team I will respectfully reply. - The use of mellotron; The use of Mellotron is not exclusive of Prog, as a fact is used vastly in Pop, some good examples would be Captain & Tenille, Elton John, Billy Joel, .Wang Chung, OMD, Oasis, Sheryl Crow, etc.The instrument doesn't make a genre, the music does - Composition form-Classical influenced..Sonata form.. It's classical influenced, but also has Bluegrass and mainstream Rock, to be honest, you can write a Rock or Pop album in Sonata form, and still won't be p´rog - Song lenght...20-30 minutes: Common to all Prog, listen King Crimson, Magma, Mike Oldfield, Jethro Tull, etc none of them Symphonic - Odd meters: This is common to all Prog, not only to Symphonic - Rock grooves -8 beat & shuffle: Again, not exclusive of Symphonic or even Prog -Lyrics about science fiction and/or legends of lost continents..not Love lyrics..... : ): Common to all Prog, not to Symphonic exclusively. - Modal harmonies: Modal harmonies are often used in Irish and Scottish Folk, and is also used in Bluegrass Yes, Neograss has some Symphonic passages, but also has Neo Prog, AOR, New Age and Bluegrass, so after being checked carefully by the three members of the Symphonic Team, we believe the band is not a good candidate for Symphonic, and listening to all your career, is very diverse. We don't categorize a band by one album, but for their career, and Neograss has several albums (And EP) in several genres)
Lets remember that Prog is not a synonym of Symphonic, there are several sub-genres (We have around 20 other sites have almost 100), we believe Neograss is a Prog band but not a Symphonic one, should be in Prog Archives, but not sure if Eclectic or Crossover.. Good luck Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 04 2012 at 14:08 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 10:27 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Lazland, we decide in this case. Please check all their discography, I respect what the arist believes, but Smokey Reeds the Bandit is COUNTRY PROG according to their own site and CD BABY and they have other New Age releases. I respect what Neo Prog Team does or decides, please give us the same respect, the vote was unanymous for no in tjhe Symphonic Team. Iván
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lazland
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 11:50 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Ivan. I have every respect for you and the symphonic team. As you are aware, I have had a couple of similar arguments on the neo team about additions, most notably Alan Reed (not added) and Edison's Children (added). My point here is that when the artist himself/themselves describe the work as symphonic prog, it strikes me as pretty arrogant of us to then turn around and tell the person who actually wrote and performed the damned thing that in our "expert" opinion, it doesn't fit within that sub-genre. I have said it before, and I will say it again - this kind of blind adherence to supposed criteria and thinking we are above the people who actually perform the damned stuff is doing this site's credibility no good whatsoever. I am beginning to come round to the opinion that it might be better if we get rid of the sub-genres, and leave our site as an encyclopedia of prog artists without specifying the sub-genre. You are as aware as I am that there are artists here who have released an album which fits in perfectly to a sub-genre, only for later releases to "progress" to other forms, including, of course, non prog. This is clearly a prog band. We all agree that they deserve to be on the site. The band themselves state that they fit within the symphonic sub genre - more than a few collaborators, BTW, agreed. To say this is NOT a lack of respect to you and colleagues, whom I have always treated with the utmost consideration & respect. To say this is simply bloody common sense and courtesy to the band themselves.
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Windhawk
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 12:18 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
That's a lesson learned long ago. Symphonic progressive rock and Symphonic PA prog are two wildly different creatures that just happens to touch common ground on a few select occasions.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 12:24 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Lazland, I respect the artists but sometimes we can disagree:
- Smokey Reeds the Bandit Is not a Symphonic album, they in their own site say it's a Prog-Bluegrass album - Future Soundscape Holistic Remix Is described by their site as: "This is music for holistic meditationso just lay down and relax for a moment" This is not Symphonic, no matter who said that. The artists have their perspective, but Prog Archives have their a band wit two Prog non Symphonic albums, can't be Symphonic, no matter who says that. Now, I have the impression that Tore identifies prog with symphonic, probably he's not familiar with our system, tha's why I sent him a PM explain him why we decided not to include the band in Symphonic. Now, about the respect, I don't tell any genre team that they must add a band or artist, that's their prerogative, I never told you "You have to ad XXXX to Neo prog ASAP".....We ask the same consideration, because the call is our's. Iván
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lazland
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 12:25 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Yep. Olav, I have expanded on this in the Collab zone, where I feel that further discussion is better placed. I would appreciate your input there.
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lazland
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 12:27 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Ivan. I would be grateful if this conversation be continued in the collab zone, where I have made a similar post, rather than in the open forum for all to see. I will then be happy to lose my temper with you in a bot more privacy.
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Evolver
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 12:29 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
A lot of bands describe themselves in ways that we may disagree with. That doesn't mean we hear them the same way. From the one Neograss album I heard, they sound like symphonic. I'll admit that I hadn't heard any other albums from them. But I agree with Ivan that we must entrust the teams to decide what they include.
Again, I would have no problem re-opening the vote in crossover based on the rejection of the teams we moved them to.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 12:38 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Now, that's not accurate, we agree in most cases with other sites As a fact the only site in which I found Neograss is Proggnosis, and it's not Symphonic by their perspective:
In related items, CDBABY says::
Wikipedia says about them:
BTW: This is the opinion of a Crossover Team member when suggested:
So why put pressure on us? Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 06 2012 at 00:30 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 07 2012 at 16:33 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This morning I received a very kind PM (in reply to mine) from Tore Morsen-Andreasen member of NEOGRASS
I can't post the PM without his authorization but I can summarize what he said: 1.- He agrees Eclectic is correct for the band 2.- That Smokey Reeds the Bandit is Progressive. with elements of folk and symphonic 3.- That Holistic EP is Krautrock So we weren't that wrong according to him. Iván
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The Mystical
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Posted: May 20 2012 at 06:11 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Symphonic prog I think.
"Atlantis" is a masterpiece and it would be a shame for it to be overlooked.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Hi Mystical and welcome. I think you're right about Atlantis, it's a great album and CLOSE to Symphonic and Neo Prog The problem is that we accept a band based in all their Prog releases, and Atlantis is not the only release of Neograss As I said before, they have one Prog-Bluegrass album (Smokey Reeds the Bandit), and another one defined as Krautrock by a band member (New Age IMO). So, if out of three Prog releases they only have one CLOSE to Symphonic, we can't accept them in Symphonic. That's the reason why w moved King Crimson out of Symphonic, they have two Symphonic albums and a lot crossing diverse genres.. Thanks for your comprehension. Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 20 2012 at 11:02 |
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 12:05 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Neograss has just been approved for Eclectic.
If anyone wants to contribute a bio (or any SC wants to do this addition), that'd be great, as I'll be gone all day (graduation for our students this evening). |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 17:38 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Good news Robert.
Iván
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