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tamijo 
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 Topic: the Savage Rose (dan) - Crossover/psychedelic rockPosted: March 19 2014 at 12:23 |
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Not because it matters if they are on PA, just want everyone interested to check this out.
Its a very rare session from denmark radio archives. Savage Rose, backed to Jazz legend Ben Webster enjoy: |
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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tamijo
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Posted: June 25 2013 at 05:24 |
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Find it very it scary, that we do not include this band, that everyone seems to want on PA, because they are hard to put in a box. But if it was someone sounding as a Yes copy, they would be here long ago.
Its sad that You can be too Prog, to get into prog arcives.
I cant imagine any band that would fit better than Savage Rose on our defination of prog :
Progressive rock (often shortened to prog or prog rock) is a form of rock music that evolved in the late 1960s and early 1970s as part of a "mostly British attempt to elevate rock music to new levels of artistic credibility." ..........Progressive rock bands pushed "rock's technical and compositional boundaries" by going beyond the standard rock or popular verse-chorus-based song structures. Additionally, the arrangements often incorporated elements drawn from classical, jazz, and world music. Instrumentals were common, while songs with lyrics were sometimes conceptual, abstract, or based in fantasy. Progressive rock bands sometimes used "concept albums that made unified statements, usually telling an epic story or tackling a grand overarching theme." It all comes down to them not fitting well into our sub genres, because they did what they had to do, not conserned with the trends of the times.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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earlyprog
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 16:30 |
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Tamijo, your introduction of Savage Rose for PA consideration before anyone else a couple of years ago is much appreciated.
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tamijo
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 15:57 |
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Didnt notice this tread.
But im crossing my fingers.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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earlyprog
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 15:22 |
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^Crossover according to ProgFreak.
 Your votes awaited with much anticipation
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earlyprog
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Posted: September 15 2012 at 13:19 |
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They are still going strong! Just released Love & Freedom three days ago.
Haven't heard it yet, only the bluesy title track. Crossover or Proto-Prog?
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: September 11 2012 at 13:52 |
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Being a long time fan of this band, I think it's safe to say that psychedelic is pushing things a bit
 Their first album might be categorised as proto prog late psych rock, but the emphasis later on was always on the splicing of huge melodically pompous and the powerful vocals of Anisette. X-over seems to be the safest bet imo.Let's see what they say.
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yam yam
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Posted: September 08 2012 at 15:19 |
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I'm not sure if their entire discography can really be considered as prog, but I certainly detected a snatch or two in this particular video... ^
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yam yam
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Posted: September 08 2012 at 14:43 |
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Nothing on progfreak for them, so I'd hazard a guess that the answer to your first question is probably 'no'...and the second one 'don't know'.
 Ermm...bump?
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earlyprog
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Posted: May 26 2012 at 06:23 |
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Has the crossover genre team taken action on this? What's the status?
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earlyprog
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 10:27 |
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Any other thoughts on their crossover prog credibility?
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earlyprog
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 04:09 |
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Savage Rose are consistent in the sense that they always return to crossover prog, beginning in 1970 with "Your Daily Gift" followed by a departure into R&B/soul/gospel and then 5 year hiatus followed by the crossovered "Solen var også Din" in 1978. Subsequent albums were centered on (prog) folk before returning to crossover in the 80's. The 90's: rock, R&B and most recently (2007's "Universal Daughter") a return to crossover.
They have released two 'concept' albums. You refer to Triumph of the Death (Dod?). The other is "The Emperor's new Clothes" (circa 1985). Be aware that the former exists in a one-album version and a double album version. Which one do you refer to? (For clarity: In my opinion, it is contained in their proto-prog period.)
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Marty McFly
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 17:07 |
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One question - where do you see Prog in this Dod. concept album ? Can you please elaborate a bit ? Except its wordless story telling (in terms of moods + song names), it can be tricky. Their other albums - Too many directions and genres, too little consistency. That shouldn't be a problem, that should only help in theory, but in the end, it's very difficult to categorize such bands into our ar-chi-ves. Too Prog indeed. Edited by Marty McFly - May 03 2012 at 17:07 |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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earlyprog
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 08:57 |
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An attempt at presenting some crossover prog by Savage Rose with the limitations of Youtube.
The albums best representing their crossover prog are the albums "Solen var også Din" (1978), "Gadens Dronning" (1985), "Your Daily Gift" (1970) and the most recent "Universal Daughter" (2007).
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earlyprog
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Posted: May 02 2012 at 14:38 |
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A rough sketch of the music of Savage Rose:
Despite excursions into Blues/Gospel (2 albums in mid-70's) and folk - at best prog folk - (2 albums in the early 80's) they have continuously had an underlying crossover prog approach starting with "Your Daily Gift" (1970) and reinvented on "Solen var også din" (1978) continuing until mid-90's (?). Everything from '68 to '70 culminating with "Triumph of the Death" (composed 1970, released '72) is proto-prog, the latter perhaps even symphonic prog.
I will be more concise in a subsequent reply and in the meantime provide tube samples of their crossover prog. Edited by earlyprog - May 02 2012 at 14:40 |
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earlyprog
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Posted: May 02 2012 at 13:32 |
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iTunes biography excerpt:
One of the most well-known rock groups from Continental Europe, Denmark's Savage Rose recorded a wealth of intriguing and eclectic progressive rock in the late '60s and '70s. In their early work, one hears faint echoes of the Airplane, Doors, Pink Floyd, and other psychedelic heavyweights combined with classical jazz and Danish-Euro folk elements. Their arrangements rely heavily on an incandescent, watery organ that sounds like nothing so much as psychedelic aquarium music. The most striking aspect of the band's sound, however, was the vocals of lead singer Annisette. Her childish wispy and sensual phrasing can suddenly break into jarring, almost histrionic wailing, like a Janis Joplin with Yoko Ono-isms, and eerily foreshadows Kate Bush's style. |
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Marty McFly
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Posted: May 02 2012 at 13:16 |
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EDIT: Don't forget to read Olav's (Windhawk) post - it's the last one on previous page. Proto-Prog seems like the best shot, even I'm not sure how well it will go Edited by Marty McFly - May 02 2012 at 13:17 |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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Windhawk
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Posted: May 02 2012 at 11:13 |
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A few snippets from others opinions about the band.
-------------------- New Gibraltar: "This Danish band was quite popular in Scandinavia. It's said their first album was outsold only by the concurrent Beatles release. They certainly posessed a sound all their own, and while the overall style of In The Plain is definitely psychedelic, it has elements that can be described only as progressive." ------------- All Music: Savage RoseFormed-------------Julian Cope, on their album "In the Plain": "With the group getting ready to go in the '70s to be followers of the Black Panthers and James Brown and refusing to perform in Vietnam, The Savage Rose were almost a psych-punk-jazz movement during that time period. And its that quality of the late Thomas Koppel's songwriting and composing music for ballet a few decades earlier with Dodens Triumf that wasn't pretentious, makes the Rose such almost the danish version of Classical Jazz Punk Rock. Almost as if John Lydon meets Beethoven in Arthur Brown style as if they would do something that was outrageous." ------------------ Proggnosis:
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---------------- RYM categorization: GenresPsychedelic Rock, Progressive Rock, Psychedelic Folk -------------------------- Asbjörnsen's "Scented Gardens of the Mind": Doesn't describe the band as progressive rock per se, but advises his readers to sample the band's initial three full length productions. ------------------- While not conclusive in any way, there are indications of a band that merits a check, and possibly a band that may apply as a proto-prog candidate due to their late 60's productions if no place is found within a genre team. |
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earlyprog
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Posted: May 02 2012 at 09:58 |
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As a testament to the proto-prog nature of Savage Rose:
The ballet "Triumph of the Death" was first televised in the Edited by earlyprog - May 02 2012 at 11:46 |
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Marty McFly
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 16:21 |
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[QUOTE=PyramidMeetsTheEye]wow this is so cool,sharing is caring thanks <3 /QUOTE Especially when it's legal, or as legal as youtube is anyway. And to all you other guys, thanks for your insights and being helpful in general. I may bring it up to the team, first I have to navigate through their huge discography. Earlyprog's analysis sounds good, so let's start with those later ones first. |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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