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Horizons 
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 Posted: June 27 2012 at 20:57 |
 geneyesontle wrote:
tarkus1980 wrote:
John Bonham was a great drummer in terms of talent, but he's the worst influence in the history of rock drumming. |
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A lot of people say he disregarded dynamics and subtlety, etc etc
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: June 27 2012 at 21:06 |
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^ What's so subtle about Moon's drumming?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - June 27 2012 at 21:08
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Posted: June 27 2012 at 21:06 |
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Just quoting man!
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: June 27 2012 at 21:09 |
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^ Just wondering if you knew.
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Posted: June 28 2012 at 20:15 |
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Bonham... I think he was (*technically speaking) a bit better drummer...
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ole-the-first
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Posted: June 28 2012 at 21:26 |
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Bonzo.
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jammun
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Posted: June 28 2012 at 22:07 |
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I ain't voting. Moon was certainly a busy dude. Bonham, at least on the studio recordings, benefited from the recording method, i.e., the drums were never directly miked. Hence the deep, echoey sound. But man did that dude have a right foot.
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Posted: June 28 2012 at 22:27 |
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i think Bonham has more technical skill, but I like Kieth's style of drumming more.
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richardh
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 01:35 |
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Keith Moon was an absolute giant. The ultimate punky style drummer yet could play prog better than anyone as evidenced by Baba O'Riley. There is a precision about his drumming there that even Bruford would be hard pressed to match. Moon was to drumming what Emerson was to keyboards and Hendrix to guitars (imo). Bonham of course was a very impressive drummer and if he had done more stuff like Achilles Last Stand then I would be voting for him perhaps.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 04:13 |
richardh wrote:
There is a precision about his drumming there that even Bruford would be hard pressed to match. |
I've heard a lot of drummers who never had any problems with precision.
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 07:34 |
Horizons wrote:
geneyesontle wrote:
tarkus1980 wrote:
John Bonham was a great drummer in terms of talent, but he's the worst influence in the history of rock drumming. |
Why ? |
A lot of people say he disregarded dynamics and subtlety, etc etc |
My brother put it best when he said (approximately): "John Bonham singlehandedly destroyed any sense of dynamics in three generations worth of drummers. Instead of an understanding of dynamics as soft and loud, drummers have come to believe that the two main classes of drum volume are loud and GOD-IS-DEAD."
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"History of Rock Written by the Losers."
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tarkus1980
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 07:37 |
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Mind you, I think Bonham's drumming on the first album is an essential part of the sound (even if I think his drumming is entirely inappropriate on "Your Time is Going to Come"), that his drumming on Physical Graffiti and Presence is nearly impeccable, and there are odd tracks elsewhere where I think he's fantastic. On the whole, though, his drumming approach is just not my preference. I far prefer Ian Paice, for instance.
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"History of Rock Written by the Losers."
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richardh
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Posted: June 30 2012 at 03:14 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
richardh wrote:
There is a precision about his drumming there that even Bruford would be hard pressed to match. |
I've heard a lot of drummers who never had any problems with precision. |
yep found guilty of over egging the case for Keith Moon 
He's just a drummer I always loved and Baba O'Riley is still for me the best drumming I've ever heard. Bonham was of course a fantastic drummer but I've never had a great love of hard/heavy rock and can mostly take or leave it.
Edited by richardh - June 30 2012 at 03:14
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 22:04 |
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Love both, but Bonham's bonecrushing beat has never been duplicated. Hell, half of Zeppelin's songs didn't even need bass guitar. That being said, John Entwistle was a better bass player than John Paul Jones.
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clarkpegasus4001
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Posted: July 03 2012 at 00:04 |
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Bonzo, easily for me.
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Tony C.
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Posted: July 23 2012 at 01:07 |
Bonham had a certain punch which drove the band and tightened them up. The way he had his snare drum tuned , the muscular attack when the stick hit the drum was driving...and the triplets played left hand, right hand, left foot , right foot. He had that mastered. It was clean and it sounded like 3 people playing the drums instead of one. It was a bit like the style of Carmine Appice ..except Bonham accented his hits of speed differently. In the sections of "Black Dog" where the band drops out , there is a vocal part, and then Bonham re-enters the band by playing a series of off beats. Off beats or accents that are very syncopated. I believe he must have written those parts in his head, suggested playing those sections where he leads the band back into the progression. He was very creative. Keith Moon's most outstanding performance for me was "Underture". That is some of the fastest playing ...I mean it is really insane! The rolls on each drum, the roundhouse, and he has the perfect feel and is very clean and precise. Rolls that you would normally hear in the style of Carl Palmer and also Billy Cobham. Billy Cobham plays a very strange solo titled "Crosswinds" where you hear the sounds of the wind and the flanger drum effect. What Keith Moon produces with his hands on "Underture" is quite to the level of players like Cobham and Palmer. He is like a real Classical drummer throughout the piece taking himself very seriously. Another example ....the buzz roll that Cobham playes for the intro to "One Word" (Mahavishnu), and some of the more intense soloing of Carl Palmer on "Welcome Back" "Karn Evil 9 would not have been such a great feat for Keith Moon. On different live recordings of the Who, he sounds sloppy for one reason or the other., hitting the sticks together during a fast roundhouse...but "Underture" is his masterpiece. Here...he samples how he can switch from one drum to the next ...like 32nd notes played in Jazz guitar, without hitting the rims or sticks and with amazing feel. The first time I saw Mitch Mitchell play, it felt like I was watching Keith Moon. He had the same attack as Keith Moon and especially in the Hendrix song "Fire". It really sounds like Moon is playing the song. It's that Jazz mentality in Rock music which drove the Who and dominated their sound.
Edited by TODDLER - July 25 2012 at 11:02
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Posted: July 23 2012 at 01:22 |
TODDLER wrote:
Bonham had a certain punch which drove the band and tightened them up. The way he had his snare drum tuned , the muscular attack when the stick hit the drum was driving...and the triplets played left hand, right hand, left foot , right foot. He had that mastered. It was clean and it sounded like 3 people playing the drums instead of one. It was a bit like the style of Carmine Appice ..except Bonham accented his hits of speed differently. In the sections of "Black Dog" where the band drops out , there is a vocal part, and then Bonham re-enters the band by playing a series of off beats. Off beats or accents that are very syncopated. I believe he must have written those parts in his head, suggested playing those sections where he leads the band back into the progression. He was very creative. |
Great observations on Bonzo-- I also think of 'Out on the Tiles'
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Posted: August 29 2012 at 11:23 |
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Moon. Always an exciting player to hear and watch. Not one for solos, but uses the kit to great dynamic effect. Most drummers pair with the bass to form the rhythm section. Moon's drumming pairs more closely to Townshend's guitar, punctuating the dynamics of the music.
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The Jester
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Posted: August 29 2012 at 12:29 |
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Between these two, I'll vote for Keith Moon.
But there are far better drummers I believe than these two...
On the top of my head, Neil Peart. (Rush).
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