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    Posted: July 12 2012 at 23:09
In a few recent threads (Dio and Glass Hammer), there are numerous references to "cheesy prog."  

I think I understand what is implied, but am not sure....what, exactly, is "cheesy prog"?  A new subcategory perhaps?  

And, what is YOUR favorite cheesy-prog band?? 
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It means it's hard to take seriously.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote smartpatrol Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2012 at 23:20
Originally posted by Gallifrey

It means it's hard to take seriously.
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I think the only truluy cheesey/pretentious Prog band I've heard is ELP. Still like em, though.
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Originally posted by smartpatrol

I think the only truluy cheesey/pretentious Prog band I've heard is ELP. Still like em, though.

Hmmm...I'd agree with that!  Emerson wrestling with a Hammond organ onstage, plunging a dagger into the keyboard with great drama, would seem to fit the bill.  

However, many of the greats seemed to wallow in a sea of cheese!  Sir Richard Wakeman?   This photo reeks of prog cheesiness!  


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Originally posted by smartpatrol

Originally posted by Gallifrey

It means it's hard to take seriously.

Something like this.  Trite, an insufficiently simplistic or clique-ridden treatment of a serious topic, etc.  "Cheesy" music does exist, but it's my theory that the word "cheesy" is often used by people to describe something that is profound beyond their understanding, and thus considered by them to be unrealistic, overblown, pretentious, or simplistic.
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Someone say...cheese?



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When I think of cheesy, over the top theatrics don't come to mind. I would sooner associate cheesiness with Neal Morse's vocal delivery, or something like that
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whenever a prog band releases a hit single, it's usually cheesy. why sell out when you can sell cheese?
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Cheesey means a bit 'over ripe' to my thinking. So most great symphonic prog is 'cheesey'. Also most of it is pretentious and pompous. ''Progtastic'' is the word I would use.
The problem with prog is that you can enjoy it perfectly well on a superficial level but many would prefer to put great meaning to what they listen to. So Tarkus is something that is undeniably cheesey and will always divide opinion. To me the very fact that it divides opinion makes it better anyway so I don't see cheesey as a criticism.
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I find punchy synthesizers and 80's midi patches cheesy. Conventional resolution to major chords. Platitudes are cheesy. Just to name a few.
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Originally posted by cstack3

Originally posted by smartpatrol

I think the only truluy cheesey/pretentious Prog band I've heard is ELP. Still like em, though.

Hmmm...I'd agree with that!  Emerson wrestling with a Hammond organ onstage, plunging a dagger into the keyboard with great drama, would seem to fit the bill.  

However, many of the greats seemed to wallow in a sea of cheese!  Sir Richard Wakeman?   This photo reeks of prog cheesiness!  




I would call this photo a more classic version of the P word.


This here be cheesy.

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Dream Theater is pretty sticky.


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It's about putting mainstream Beegee-like pop sillyness into progressive rock, with Kansas being one of the best examples.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2012 at 05:17
Originally posted by sagichim

Dream Theater is pretty sticky.

Yeah, I'd have to agree with that!  

Even worse....I attended the Dream Theater show in Chicago a few years back.  Opening for DT were "Zappa Plays Zappa," which is sublime and not to be missed....."Scale the Summit," an instrumental, guitar-prog band from Texas that channels Fripp's gamelan music....

.....and THIS mess, "Big Elf"!!   Music for raging headaches!  I submit this as proof positive of the existence of prog cheese:


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There is a knive made for cutting Progressive Cheese :
Ergo Progressive Cheese exist
 
 


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An example of 'cheesy' prog, imo, would be 'Surrounded' by Dream Theater.

I actually really like that song, but hey..

I don't regard over the top music as 'cheesy' To me the term has always meant music that overplays the sentimental, so it by no means refers to just prog rock. Any musical genre can fall victim to cheese. Indeed, in the world of power ballads, the more cheese, the better..so it seems.

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But yeah, on a more serious note, I guess it refers to prog that is overblown, somewhat plastic and by the numbers so to speak. I am not naming names here, because I won't pull this thread into the gutter. I will say this though, a lot of the modern production values that now seem tattooed onto the genre itself, to me at least, unwillingly maybe - stands for most of the cheese this style of music has to offer. The lacking warmth and "noise" of the production literally lures cheese into the music.
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Ayreon are the kings of cheese. And no, cheesiness is not good in music.
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