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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2012 at 18:37
Originally posted by The Mystical The Mystical wrote:

Cheesy doesn't mean bad.
True, it can be rather gouda, in fact


Edited by SolarLuna96 - July 14 2012 at 18:38
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2012 at 21:02
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

^The continent or the band?

The asteroid Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2012 at 23:57
Daevid Allen is a master cheese-maker!  Check out this bit of "Gong"....amazing!!  

How did they manage to rip such excellent music wearing those hats??  I'm not sure if this truly qualifies as "cheesy prog" or not, perhaps just damn strange prog??


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2012 at 00:05
Not cheesy at all, just quirky. 
Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2012 at 05:06
Bless-ed are the cheesemakers...
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2012 at 15:06
This is cheesy Big smile (not properly prog though..)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2012 at 19:41

Oops ... wrong thread? Big smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2012 at 06:26
Gong are cheesy on two levels, the stage act, and the lyrics. Electric Cheese maybe, but cheese all the same.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2012 at 10:26
Originally posted by Ytse_Jam Ytse_Jam wrote:

This is cheesy Big smile (not properly prog though..)

Now, this is cheese, and of the smelly kind 

Of course this also qualifies


 
It only takes a couple of seconds for a roadie to handle a guitar, instead of carrying a 10 or 15 Kgms tri-head guitar during 2 hours


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2012 at 11:13
I usually use the word "cheese" or "cheesy" to describe something that sounds ridiculous to me, or just silly (which doesn't necessarily mean I don't like it........though it generally has a bad connotation with me).

However, it's obvious that there are quite a few different interpretations of this, and we can't even agree on whether it is a good or bad thing.  So, like most everything else with musical taste and reviews, it's a purely subjective term, even its meaning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2012 at 11:50
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Ytse_Jam Ytse_Jam wrote:

This is cheesy Big smile (not properly prog though..)

Now, this is cheese, and of the smelly kind 

Of course this also qualifies


 
It only takes a couple of seconds for a roadie to handle a guitar, instead of carrying a 10 or 15 Kgms tri-head guitar during 2 hours


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Well, as has been mentioned, these guitars are normally used for one song( as in  this case) and  is the quickest method to change. Quicker than any roadie, unless he  is The Flash.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2012 at 12:38
Equally, it's absurd and uncomfortable to play, you can't even grab the center guitar properly

This is also cheesy:


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2012 at 14:09
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Equally, it's absurd and uncomfortable to play, you can't even grab the center guitar properly
 
Admittedly the Wal tripple neck was originally commisioned and purchased by Rick Wakeman for his band for the Journey To The Center Of The Earth tour and his motives were certainly not musical but just to have something to show-off in his show which had never been seen on a prog stage before.
 
His bassist at the time was Roger Newell but the thing belonged to Rick. When Rick returned to Yes for GFTO he took the tripple neck with him and handed it to Chris, eventually gave it to him and eventually Chris got his replica and gave the original on permanent loan to Hard Rock Cafe where it stands now in New York.
 
But it is not less true that at least Chris gave it a meaningful musical use in the Awaken live performances.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2012 at 14:13
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Equally, it's absurd and uncomfortable to play, you can't even grab the center guitar properly

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Chris plays it succesfully so you are obviously wrong.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2012 at 16:45
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Equally, it's absurd and uncomfortable to play, you can't even grab the center guitar properly
 
The center neck (normal fretted bass) is the one played for most of the song, I don't see Chris having any problem with it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2012 at 00:24
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Equally, it's absurd and uncomfortable to play, you can't even grab the center guitar properly

This is also cheesy:


Terrible

EXTREMELY cheesy!!  What on EARTH were they thinking of??  ELP were recognized as brilliant & talented (if somewhat cheesy) musicians, but sex symbols??  

Imagine Greg Lake in an outfit like that today!!  Ugh!!  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2012 at 01:17
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Equally, it's absurd and uncomfortable to play, you can't even grab the center guitar properly

This is also cheesy:


Terrible

EXTREMELY cheesy!!  What on EARTH were they thinking of??  ELP were recognized as brilliant & talented (if somewhat cheesy) musicians, but sex symbols??  

Imagine Greg Lake in an outfit like that today!!  Ugh!!  
I'm not gay (although there is nothing wrong with being so etc etc) but ELP were still young then and all good looking lads. Even in the 90's Ian Anderson remarked 'the b*****ds still have all their own hair' whe he introduced them up on stage. I occasionally (although not very often nowadays) go on the Ladies Of The Lake site as formed as a tribute site by 3 'rabid' Greg Lake female fans. They do still exist!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2012 at 09:43
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Equally, it's absurd and uncomfortable to play, you can't even grab the center guitar properly

T

Chris plays it succesfully so you are obviously wrong.
 

Chris is an exception, he's 1.95 meters (6.4 feet) and have long arms, but the normal player won't have the chance to reach it.

I still believe it's some sort of exhibitionism

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Potential limitations

Many of those who have played double neck guitars report that the instruments are heavy and awkward, but this can be managed with practice. Triple neck instruments are even weightier and more unwieldy. This raises the question as to whether some of the larger varieties of multi-neck guitar are even playable as guitars, much less practical in performance situations. The bottom neck of Rick Nielsen's famous five-neck Hamer guitar is barely reachable by a person of average stature holding the instrument in a normal standing playing position, and it's hard to see how that neck could be played with any facility with both arms extended to their limit just to reach it. (Indeed, Nielsen himself hardly ever plays on that neck.)[26] Although playable hybrids with up to eight necks have been produced (see the "Rock Ock", above), five necks would seem to be the practical limit for multi-neck guitars.

Luthiers seem, however, to be undeterred by either practicality, or by the limits of human anatomy, and have produced instruments with even more necks. In 2008 Macari's Music of London commissioned a six neck guitar ("the beast"),[27] similar in design to Nielsen's five neck. Yamantaka Eye, of the Japanese noise/rock band Boredoms has toured with a seven neck guitar (the "Sevena"). This instrument has four necks on one side and three on the other, and is mounted on a stand and played with drumsticks as a percussion instrument.

As of 2012, the most necks placed on a single guitar is 12, apparently first achieved in 2002 by Japanese artist Yoshihiko Satoh.[28]






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2012 at 09:55
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Equally, it's absurd and uncomfortable to play, you can't even grab the center guitar properly

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Chris plays it succesfully so you are obviously wrong.
 

Chris is an exception, he's 1.95 meters (6.4 feet) and have long arms, but the normal player won't have the chance to reach it.

I still believe it's some sort of exhibitionism

Iván

Maybe it is...sometimes...I don't happen to think so, but there you go. Even if it is...can't say I care. Rush used double necks on quite a few old songs. Totally practical. Alex still does use a double neck on Xanadu. Don't think he is posing  at his  age. 

but we  disagree, as  usual, that's ok too.Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2012 at 09:58
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Equally, it's absurd and uncomfortable to play, you can't even grab the center guitar properly

T

Chris plays it succesfully so you are obviously wrong.
 

Chris is an exception, he's 1.95 meters (6.4 feet) and have long arms, but the normal player won't have the chance to reach it.

I still believe it's some sort of exhibitionism

Iván

Maybe it is...sometimes...I don't happen to think so, but there you go. Even if it is...can't say I care. Rush used double necks on quite a few old songs. Totally practical. Alex still does use a double neck on Xanadu. Don't think he is posing  at his  age. 

but we  disagree, as  usual, that's ok too.Smile

The double neck was interesting,it can be played easily by a talented musician (Look at Mike Rutherford).

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