cstack3 wrote:   hmmmm....I think I have to agree, although Fripp's rather blatant ripping off of Gustav Holst's "Mars" for "The Devil's Triangle" was a rather cheesy thing to do!

I suspect Robert may be a bit embarrassed by that now. 

Edited by Slartibartfast - July 30 2012 at 18:40

Prog_Traveller wrote: A lot of neo prog is considered cheesy especially early Marillion(who I still like).

Edited by cstack3 - August 01 2012 at 00:26

anything that includes the participation of neal morse and roine stolt. don't yell at me, it's true.

Rush, Tool, Asia.

I know that Styx is only "prog related," but Mr. Roboto certainly meets the cheese-threshold!  

cstack3 wrote: I know that Styx is only "prog related," but Mr. Roboto certainly meets the cheese-threshold!

cstack3 wrote: Prog_Traveller wrote: A lot of neo prog is considered cheesy especially early Marillion(who I still like).  I have to agree!  A lot of the oldsters like Peter Banks & John Wetton have trashed neoprog.... I once read a description of neoprog as sounding like "music you'd hear when you entered a Renaissance Festival."   I heard one Italian neoprog band & could visualize them playing in funny, baggy Pinocchio costumes!!    Some of these bands just try TOO hard!  You can't force prog....it is a product of the band chemistry, the skills of the musicians and the particular moment in time when all come together.   Sitting down to try to compose "prog" generates some very cheesy music (and I'm just as guilty as many others!!) Powerful composition and skillful playing heals all wounds!!  Ian Anderson is a master of cheese, as was Zappa!!   Check this video out....I saw this tour, it was amazing!!  Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond just KILLS on bass!!   Any lesser musicians wearing outfits like that would have been hooted off of the stage!!

I don't want to imply that all newer prog is cheesy by any means. However, back in the day during the first wave of prog things were different. Back then bands didn't set out to play prog. It just happened. Now, because of the whole history bands know what they want to do and have something called "prog" to be influenced by so the music making process is often more contrived and less organic. With newer prog and especially a lot of neo prog it's easy to play the game of "spot the influences." For me personally(and there are some exceptions)I think it's ok for a band to be influenced by other bands(in fact it's inevitable)but unless it's obviously intentional(which does happen with some bands like maybe Red Sand or No sound or maybe even Starcastle)it comes close to being cringeworthy and that's when it's hard to take the music seriously let a lone enjoy it. Some bands just sound too much like who they are influenced by and for me personally I would rather hear something slightly more original(without necessarily being avant garde). At least TRY to have your own sound for crying out loud.


Edited by Prog_Traveller - August 06 2012 at 10:47

Tool cheesy?  I don't know about that.  Rush, Asia for sure, and though I hate to say it, I agree that Dream Theater can really bring the cheese.  Someone here mentioned "Another Day."  That's the one song that I just can't listen to by them. Mostly I blame it on James LaBrie, Liquid Tension Experiment doesn't have this problem IMHO.

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ExittheLemming wrote: Drew wrote: Gentle Giant (ducks- runs for cover) A strange sentiment perhaps....although they do certainly polarise opinion within the Prog fraternity but (apart from the latter stabs at commercialism on say Civilian) I'm puzzled at the charge of cheesey?